Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service
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@Pete-S said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Ah, so we are talking about renting / leasing the hardware (phones), hopefully under flexible terms. Is that what Yealink's DaaS is?
It appears to be.
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Wow - I wonder what the price is for something like this? $1/phone/month? Probaby not enough. assuming a phone lasts 5 years (and my Mitel IP phones are mostly more than 10 years old now, and the digital ones we have some are over 20). The cost is so low it hardly seems worth a DaaS solution.
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@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Wow - I wonder what the price is for something like this? $1/phone/month? Probaby not enough. assuming a phone lasts 5 years (and my Mitel IP phones are mostly more than 10 years old now, and the digital ones we have some are over 20). The cost is so low it hardly seems worth a DaaS solution.
I do not argue that logic, but I need prices in order to make informed decisions.
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@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Wow - I wonder what the price is for something like this? $1/phone/month? Probaby not enough. assuming a phone lasts 5 years (and my Mitel IP phones are mostly more than 10 years old now, and the digital ones we have some are over 20). The cost is so low it hardly seems worth a DaaS solution.
I do not argue that logic, but I need prices in order to make informed decisions.
The major advantage I see - you need to deploy 100 new phones now - or replace 100 phones. That's 10K+ DaaS definitely makes it a bit easier to swallow on the front end.
I too would be interested in the price.
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@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Wow - I wonder what the price is for something like this? $1/phone/month? Probaby not enough. assuming a phone lasts 5 years (and my Mitel IP phones are mostly more than 10 years old now, and the digital ones we have some are over 20). The cost is so low it hardly seems worth a DaaS solution.
I do not argue that logic, but I need prices in order to make informed decisions.
The major advantage I see - you need to deploy 100 new phones now - or replace 100 phones. That's 10K+ DaaS definitely makes it a bit easier to swallow on the front end.
I too would be interested in the price.
Companies large enough to need 100 phones rarely care about the cost. A full time worker is at least $2,000 a month, and almost always a lot more for one that needs a phone. Even $120/user for a phone while not nothing, is rarely a problem for a company that has to already pay the workers.
As you need more phones, the more minor the cost of the phones becomes.
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Wow - I wonder what the price is for something like this? $1/phone/month? Probaby not enough. assuming a phone lasts 5 years (and my Mitel IP phones are mostly more than 10 years old now, and the digital ones we have some are over 20). The cost is so low it hardly seems worth a DaaS solution.
I do not argue that logic, but I need prices in order to make informed decisions.
The major advantage I see - you need to deploy 100 new phones now - or replace 100 phones. That's 10K+ DaaS definitely makes it a bit easier to swallow on the front end.
I too would be interested in the price.
Companies large enough to need 100 phones rarely care about the cost. A full time worker is at least $2,000 a month, and almost always a lot more for one that needs a phone. Even $120/user for a phone while not nothing, is rarely a problem for a company that has to already pay the workers.
As you need more phones, the more minor the cost of the phones becomes.
I find this near laughable. A company that's converting, upgrading (namely SMBs) in my experience most certainly do care.
I agree that $120 is not nothing, and should definitely be nothing - so frequently the company still at minimum scoffs at it - it's really no different selling them on O365 - "OMG I have to pay $5/u/m forever? My Operating costs are going to be ridiculous" /sigh -
Look what just landed in my email box.
Web link: https://www.sangoma.com/newsletter/Obviously, this make more sense than Yealink, because it is Sangoma phone with Sangoma Cloud PBX services.
But still.
Now, the price? Wow, not worth it. The only one listred with a cost is the s705 at $12/month for 3 years. Math people... That is $432 over the term of the contract.
That phone can be purchased on Amazon from E4 (a Sangoma Partner) for $225 with Prime 2 day shipping.
Umm $432 - $225 = $207. Just WTF.
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@JaredBusch yeah that price doesn't make sense, I'm curious if they think their hardware will break so often that they need to cover the cost of replacement as well. . . times however many phones you'd deploy.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@JaredBusch yeah that price doesn't make sense, I'm curious if they think their hardware will break so often that they need to cover the cost of replacement as well. . . times however many phones you'd deploy.
I would assume they are already covering the costs of the service itself in the normal monthly price. Making that much extra on phones seems blatantly greedy at first. But the base model is also free. So maybe more of a make the ones who want the better phones subsidize everyone only getting the free phone.
I don't like the Sangoma phones though. I have an s500 sitting here unused because it is too limiting IMO.
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@JaredBusch I see they have a $0 phone as well, imagine having 300 of those deployed.
So I guess I could see some value in the cost if I needed a bunch of bargain basement phones. . .
This one:
https://cdn3.volusion.com/2hew6.esfv2/v/vspfiles/photos/SGM-S205-2.jpg?1527830524
I wonder if they have some sort of requirement to get the $0 dollar phones.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
I wonder if they have some sort of requirement to get the $0 dollar phones.
THis is only for people with their PBXact Cloud solution.
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@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
I wonder if they have some sort of requirement to get the $0 dollar phones.
THis is only for people with their PBXact Cloud solution.
Ah well that makes sense.
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@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Umm $432 - $225 = $207. Just WTF.
I see no WTF here at all. It's a great profit margin (and frankly it's better than great because you know they aren't paying $225/phone. But as mentioned by Dustin - they are hedging against the need to replace the phone at least once during the life of the phone.
Question - what happens at the end of 3 years? Do you have to keep paying? or do you just own the phone? I know with cell phone companies back in the day - you just got hosed and kept paying, and the cell company just kept raking in that much more money! I'm guessing the same would be true here. How many are going to upgrade to a new phone just because 3 years have past? Hell, I still have digital phones here that are more than 20 years old. Why replace a phone if there isn't some desperate feature you need or the phone dies.
That said - we've had our VOIP phones now for just over 10 years. For the past 4 years (that would make the phones 6 years old) every time we have a power outage, we seem to loose 1-4 phones. The power outage two weeks ago - lost one phone. But did we loose any digital phones? Nope, not a one has ever been found dead following a power outage - weird. Is power delivery that different on CAT 3 (digital) that different from POE? or are the electronics just that much more sensitive?
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@Dashrender That's $432/year/per phone. Every year. Over 3 years you'd pay $1296 for a phone.
The WTF is why would anyone sign up for that when the phone is only $225 on amazon once.
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@Dustin
@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Now, the price? Wow, not worth it. The only one listred with a cost is the s705 at $12/month for 3 years. Math people... That is $432 over the term of the contract.
Let's see $12/m * 36 months (that's 3 years in months) = $432 over the life of the 3 year contract.
Pretty sure my post was OK math wise.
of course, this is only the cost of the phone, not the phone service.
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@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dustin
@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Now, the price? Wow, not worth it. The only one listred with a cost is the s705 at $12/month for 3 years. Math people... That is $432 over the term of the contract.
Let's see $12/m * 36 months (that's 3 years in months) = $432 over the life of the 3 year contract.
Pretty sure my post was OK math wise.
of course, this is only the cost of the phone, not the phone service.
Dur. . . yeah Not sure what I was thinking just then lol. . . .
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dustin
@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Now, the price? Wow, not worth it. The only one listred with a cost is the s705 at $12/month for 3 years. Math people... That is $432 over the term of the contract.
Let's see $12/m * 36 months (that's 3 years in months) = $432 over the life of the 3 year contract.
Pretty sure my post was OK math wise.
of course, this is only the cost of the phone, not the phone service.
Dur. . . yeah Not sure what I was thinking just then lol. . . .
When I was looking at leasing printers versus buying them outright, paying nearly 100% more for the unit itself seemed very common. i.e. printer cost $600, after 3 years of payments my out of pocket spend was nearly $1200.
The vendor is financing this, so they are charging you a finance fee in addition to the cost of the device. Is it seemingly high? maybe... I know that lease interest rates are frequently pretty damned high. -
@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dustin
@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Now, the price? Wow, not worth it. The only one listred with a cost is the s705 at $12/month for 3 years. Math people... That is $432 over the term of the contract.
Let's see $12/m * 36 months (that's 3 years in months) = $432 over the life of the 3 year contract.
Pretty sure my post was OK math wise.
of course, this is only the cost of the phone, not the phone service.
Dur. . . yeah Not sure what I was thinking just then lol. . . .
When I was looking at leasing printers versus buying them outright, paying nearly 100% more for the unit itself seemed very common. i.e. printer cost $600, after 3 years of payments my out of pocket spend was nearly $1200.
The vendor is financing this, so they are charging you a finance fee in addition to the cost of the device. Is it seemingly high? maybe... I know that lease interest rates are frequently pretty damned high.Well that is a part of the issue, this is just the cost of the phones. Not the service plan to support the phones, which is on top of the $12/month cost.
So that price may be much more based on whatever the service costs.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@DustinB3403 said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dashrender said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
@Dustin
@JaredBusch said in Anyone looked at Yealink DaaS - Device as a Service:
Now, the price? Wow, not worth it. The only one listred with a cost is the s705 at $12/month for 3 years. Math people... That is $432 over the term of the contract.
Let's see $12/m * 36 months (that's 3 years in months) = $432 over the life of the 3 year contract.
Pretty sure my post was OK math wise.
of course, this is only the cost of the phone, not the phone service.
Dur. . . yeah Not sure what I was thinking just then lol. . . .
When I was looking at leasing printers versus buying them outright, paying nearly 100% more for the unit itself seemed very common. i.e. printer cost $600, after 3 years of payments my out of pocket spend was nearly $1200.
The vendor is financing this, so they are charging you a finance fee in addition to the cost of the device. Is it seemingly high? maybe... I know that lease interest rates are frequently pretty damned high.Well that is a part of the issue, this is just the cost of the phones. Not the service plan to support the phones, which is on top of the $12/month cost.
So that price may be much more based on whatever the service costs.
Granted I haven't looked at the web page at all - I agree, the $12/m is just for the phones. So paying nearly 100% over the cost of the hardware for both the leasing interest fees AND 3 years of hardware support on that phone doesn't seem outside the realm of likeliness. i.e. This seems reasonable - or at bare minimum, if not reasonable - at least typical. Now, if you lease 10+ phones I would start expecting a discount on this pricing, heck, I'd expect one at 5 phones.
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And at the end of this rental program you don't even own the phone.
"Phone rentals are not a rent to own program"
