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    • DonahueD
      Donahue
      last edited by scottalanmiller

      Based on the recommendation from SAM, I am looking into adding tape into our offsite backup routine, specifically LTO-7. I have an existing host that I would like to use as it's got room for an internal 5-1/4 drive, its a supermicro tower server with the X9DRi-F board. Since the drive is SAS, do I need to add an HBA, or can I use something like this?

      I am also petitioning for cloud backups as an alternative.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
        last edited by

        Do you have SAS available from the board?

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        • Reid CooperR
          Reid Cooper
          last edited by

          Why the SATA cable? The server and the drive should both be SAS.

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          • ObsolesceO
            Obsolesce
            last edited by

            You'll need a card like this: Dell HBA330 or some kind of HBA.
            I've got an HP LTO-6 drive in a Dell R730xd going to a Dell 12g SAS, not sure exactly what model its been a while. You'll need a card with internal connectors, which i think is the one I linked.
            Then you'll need an appropriate SAS cable.

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            • DonahueD
              Donahue
              last edited by

              I dont have SAS directly on the board.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Donahue
                last edited by

                @Donahue said in Adding tape drive:

                I dont have SAS directly on the board.

                Oh, that's weird. A server without SAS? Then yes, you need an HBA.

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                • WLS-ITGuyW
                  WLS-ITGuy
                  last edited by

                  I'm curious, what are you using for backup software?

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @WLS-ITGuy
                    last edited by

                    @WLS-ITGuy said in Adding tape drive:

                    I'm curious, what are you using for backup software?

                    Veeam

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                    • WLS-ITGuyW
                      WLS-ITGuy @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:

                      @WLS-ITGuy said in Adding tape drive:

                      I'm curious, what are you using for backup software?

                      Veeam

                      Physical machine running the backups?

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @WLS-ITGuy
                        last edited by

                        @WLS-ITGuy said in Adding tape drive:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:

                        @WLS-ITGuy said in Adding tape drive:

                        I'm curious, what are you using for backup software?

                        Veeam

                        Physical machine running the backups?

                        The plan is a new VM on Hyper-V.

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                        • WLS-ITGuyW
                          WLS-ITGuy @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:

                          @WLS-ITGuy said in Adding tape drive:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:

                          @WLS-ITGuy said in Adding tape drive:

                          I'm curious, what are you using for backup software?

                          Veeam

                          Physical machine running the backups?

                          The plan is a new VM on Hyper-V.

                          Is the purpose for Monthly backups? What are you backing up to now?

                          I'm asking because we backup to a SAN and I'd like to have a monthly backup but don't want to booger up the setup I currently have of Daily diff and fulls on Fridays.

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                          • DonahueD
                            Donahue
                            last edited by

                            We currently use veeam in a VM on ESXi, but I am changing my whole setup soon. I am currently backing up to disk, mostly to a few synology boxes that are presenting their storage to ESXi to distribute to the VM's. In the role of offsite, which is where the tapes would come in, I am doing weekly backups to a external SSD via usb3 and then taking this offsite. But the size of these backups are very limited and they take forever because of the way my network is configured (also fixing this). I am not currently using veeam for these offsite backups, I am forced to do file level copies because of my limited storage space on the usb drives. But inside of veeam, I am using the GFS scheme to keep a limited number of backups on disk at our two physical locations.

                            I still need to decide if I want to do the GFS scheme with tape, or with onsite disk. I originally had the idea to use disk for those, but Scott tried to talk me into using the tapes for this.

                            I use reverse incremental in veeam, and I dont ever have to take "fulls".

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                            • DonahueD
                              Donahue
                              last edited by

                              I am also going to be adding a lot more storage space to this host, and I've got a raid card in it now that will support 8 drives. I go with a 7 drive raid 6 (HDD's) and have an open spot for the tape drive, or I can stick with 8 drives in raid 10 and just buy another HBA.

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                              • DonahueD
                                Donahue
                                last edited by

                                between the raid 6 option and the raid 10 option, both will cover my storage needs just fine. But I want to be able to backup quickly and restore quickly, with the later being my priority. That is why I had thought raid 10 was the way to go, and it still might be.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Donahue
                                  last edited by

                                  @Donahue said in Adding tape drive:

                                  between the raid 6 option and the raid 10 option, both will cover my storage needs just fine. But I want to be able to backup quickly and restore quickly, with the later being my priority. That is why I had thought raid 10 was the way to go, and it still might be.

                                  Not really, speed doesn't vary in a meaningful way to you. What factor do you feel is driving you to RAID 10?

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @Donahue
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                                    @Donahue said in Adding tape drive:

                                    between the raid 6 option and the raid 10 option, both will cover my storage needs just fine. But I want to be able to backup quickly and restore quickly, with the later being my priority. That is why I had thought raid 10 was the way to go, and it still might be.

                                    If the backup repository is over the network, it doesn't matter how fast your storage array is. The maximum data you'll be able to pull from your backup will be 50-110 MB/s over a regular network in this type of setup.

                                    [[storage] + [backup server]] --> Network --> [restore location/server]

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                                      last edited by

                                      @Obsolesce said in Adding tape drive:

                                      @Donahue said in Adding tape drive:

                                      between the raid 6 option and the raid 10 option, both will cover my storage needs just fine. But I want to be able to backup quickly and restore quickly, with the later being my priority. That is why I had thought raid 10 was the way to go, and it still might be.

                                      If the backup repository is over the network, it doesn't matter how fast your storage array is. The maximum data you'll be able to pull from your backup will be 50-110 MB/s over a regular network in this type of setup.

                                      [[storage] + [backup server]] --> Network --> [restore location/server]

                                      10Gb/s, but still it'll saturate everything else before that array.

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                                      • DonahueD
                                        Donahue @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:

                                        @Donahue said in Adding tape drive:

                                        between the raid 6 option and the raid 10 option, both will cover my storage needs just fine. But I want to be able to backup quickly and restore quickly, with the later being my priority. That is why I had thought raid 10 was the way to go, and it still might be.

                                        Not really, speed doesn't vary in a meaningful way to you. What factor do you feel is driving you to RAID 10?

                                        you shouting from the mountain tops that OBR10 is the gold standard.

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                                        • DonahueD
                                          Donahue @Obsolesce
                                          last edited by

                                          @Obsolesce said in Adding tape drive:

                                          @Donahue said in Adding tape drive:

                                          between the raid 6 option and the raid 10 option, both will cover my storage needs just fine. But I want to be able to backup quickly and restore quickly, with the later being my priority. That is why I had thought raid 10 was the way to go, and it still might be.

                                          If the backup repository is over the network, it doesn't matter how fast your storage array is. The maximum data you'll be able to pull from your backup will be 50-110 MB/s over a regular network in this type of setup.

                                          [[storage] + [backup server]] --> Network --> [restore location/server]

                                          the backup server will have onboard storage, but will be backing up from and restoring to a 10G network.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Donahue
                                            last edited by

                                            @Donahue said in Adding tape drive:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:

                                            @Donahue said in Adding tape drive:

                                            between the raid 6 option and the raid 10 option, both will cover my storage needs just fine. But I want to be able to backup quickly and restore quickly, with the later being my priority. That is why I had thought raid 10 was the way to go, and it still might be.

                                            Not really, speed doesn't vary in a meaningful way to you. What factor do you feel is driving you to RAID 10?

                                            you shouting from the mountain tops that OBR10 is the gold standard.

                                            No, it's the starting point and safe fallback for spinners. I never stated anything more than that.

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