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    IDE as a RAID?

    Water Closet
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    • ObsolesceO
      Obsolesce
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      Didn't see the fork, can you move the one above this and delete this?

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      • WrCombsW
        WrCombs @travisdh1
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        @travisdh1 said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

        @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

        Is there a benefit to use IDE Raid?

        What is best practice for 2 Disks raided off of each other ? We use Nobilis PC's(Servers) with two 500 GB WD Blue Sata Drives, Set to Raid in our Fileservers for our Sites. How ever I am not seeing an option for Raid with the Two Drives Plugged in ( Even with new drive and an old one ).

        AS I said in What are you doing Right Now: I was told to just stop and let someone else do it because It's done a different way.

        I see when I go into the Bios I can set it to either AHCI ( Advanced Host Controller Interface) or IDE - But I don't know which one , It defaults to IDE.

        Im not going to go over someone else's Head and keep working on it, But for my own knowledge Id like to know: Which one is better? AHCI or IDE? Is there any real Benefit to IDE Raid?
        I understand it's the simplest form of Raid (According to the link) above. Just wanted to see what everyone else thought.

        Also, stop using junk servers. Sounds like someone is getting whitebox desktops and calling them servers. Plus that Nobilis place doesn't look very good from the minute I poked around the site. I'd much rather have an xByte.com server with a real RAID card.

        I don't have a say in what the company order or what we use for our PC's that we give out to the sites.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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          @obsolesce said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

          Didn't see the fork, can you move the one above this and delete this?

          No, once a fork is made, there is no further management options. You can just repost there.

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          • WrCombsW
            WrCombs
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            I just saw that IDE was a choice in the BIOS; Made the assumption it was raid. Looked up IDE and that was one of the links that came up.

            I was just trying to figure out what the next step would be. on getting this PC up and going.

            I didn't realize that I was looking at the wrong thing, thats why I brought it here. I figured it was outdated because I didn't hear about it, and just wanted opinions from everyone else.

            I understand that Raid is Software, and IDE is hardware now, at first I thought it was a thing. . . not going to lie. . .
            but again, I'm just trying to learn as much as I can so thanks everyone for helping me realize that I dont need to be using IDE- since we have Sata drives.

            @scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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              @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

              I just saw that IDE was a choice in the BIOS; Made the assumption it was raid.

              That's a pretty wild assumption. That's a dangerous way to approach research.

              You have a number, I assume, of rather wild, incorrect assumptions to get to there.

              1. That RAID would be available on a desktop (it's not.)
              2. That IDE would be RAID without any connection to lead you there.
              3. That RAID would be an alternative to other protocols.
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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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                @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                I understand that Raid is Software, and IDE is hardware now, at first I thought it was a thing. . . not going to lie. . .

                IDE is a protocol. Not hardware itself. In your PC, you can use the IDE protocol without IDE hardware. Just lowers performance.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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                  @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                  I didn't realize that I was looking at the wrong thing, thats why I brought it here. I figured it was outdated because I didn't hear about it, and just wanted opinions from everyone else.

                  So the educational takeaway here should be....

                  Look for assumptions that were made without a solid foundation. Then back up a step or two. The question should have been in two parts...

                  First: What is IDE?
                  Second: Is RAID Valuable in a Desktop PC Being Used Like a Server

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                  • jmooreJ
                    jmoore
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                    Just in case your wondering though you can put put Raid on desktops. One of my workstations here at work is a Raid 0 with 2 SSd in it. It has an LSI card in it I believe. Its pretty fast. I save everything to network share but its been going on for about 4 years now with any failure.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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                      @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                      @scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

                      Windows 7, like most operating systems, has RAID included by default.

                      https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36504/how-to-create-a-software-raid-array-in-windows-7/

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @jmoore
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                        @jmoore said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                        Just in case your wondering though you can put put Raid on desktops. One of my workstations here at work is a Raid 0 with 2 SSd in it. It has an LSI card in it I believe. Its pretty fast. I save everything to network share but its been going on for about 4 years now with any failure.

                        Absolutely. You can use software RAID or hardware RAID, either or, on basically any machine. RAID is always an option, it's just that it basically always comes either from software or from add on hardware.

                        Today, essentially all operating systems include RAID. It's such a basic function, it's basically unthinkable that an OS would not include it. It's super simple for the to include and the tech hasn't changed in decades. So it really costs them nothing to do.

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                        • WrCombsW
                          WrCombs @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                          @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                          I didn't realize that I was looking at the wrong thing, thats why I brought it here. I figured it was outdated because I didn't hear about it, and just wanted opinions from everyone else.

                          So the educational takeaway here should be....

                          Look for assumptions that were made without a solid foundation. Then back up a step or two. The question should have been in two parts...

                          First: What is IDE?
                          Second: Is RAID Valuable in a Desktop PC Being Used Like a Server

                          Fair Enough .

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                          • WrCombsW
                            WrCombs @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                            @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                            @scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

                            Windows 7, like most operating systems, has RAID included by default.

                            https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36504/how-to-create-a-software-raid-array-in-windows-7/

                            Am working on Reimaging the PC Today, and creating Raid in Windows 7, before I load the image on it.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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                              @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                              @scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                              @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                              @scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

                              Windows 7, like most operating systems, has RAID included by default.

                              https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36504/how-to-create-a-software-raid-array-in-windows-7/

                              Am working on Reimaging the PC Today, and creating Raid in Windows 7, before I load the image on it.

                              If you have two drives, that's the way to go. Windows RAID isn't good, but it's industry standard, well known, and doesn't tend to lose data. Unlike a lot of FakeRAID which can actually lead to data loss because it's not well audit or maintained (who patches that stuff!?)

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                                WrCombs @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                                @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                                @scottalanmiller said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                                @wrcombs said in IDE Raid- Is there a Benefit?:

                                @scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

                                Windows 7, like most operating systems, has RAID included by default.

                                https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/36504/how-to-create-a-software-raid-array-in-windows-7/

                                Am working on Reimaging the PC Today, and creating Raid in Windows 7, before I load the image on it.

                                If you have two drives, that's the way to go. Windows RAID isn't good, but it's industry standard, well known, and doesn't tend to lose data. Unlike a lot of FakeRAID which can actually lead to data loss because it's not well audit or maintained (who patches that stuff!?)

                                It is imaging right now, created the raid as 'raid 1' as i was told to do so, waiting for the image to complete.

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                                • WrCombsW
                                  WrCombs @WrCombs
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                                  @scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

                                  I stand corrected, according to our remote tool: this site is running Windows 7/ Server 2008 R2 . . .

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                                  • WrCombsW
                                    WrCombs
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                                    Drives are rebuilding now.

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @WrCombs
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                                      @wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

                                      Drives are rebuilding now.

                                      Good luck.

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                                        WrCombs @DustinB3403
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                                        @dustinb3403 said in IDE as a RAID?:

                                        @wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

                                        Drives are rebuilding now.

                                        Good luck.

                                        Thanks. It hasnt moved even a % at all.. Crazy stuff. Gonna take forever I'm Sure.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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                                          @wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

                                          @scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

                                          I stand corrected, according to our remote tool: this site is running Windows 7/ Server 2008 R2 . . .

                                          Both?

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in IDE as a RAID?:

                                            @wrcombs said in IDE as a RAID?:

                                            @scottalanmiller you said it was based on OS? Well this PC runs Windows 7.

                                            I stand corrected, according to our remote tool: this site is running Windows 7/ Server 2008 R2 . . .

                                            Both?

                                            Yeah. . . don't you dual boot your server to also act as a desktop for those down times?!

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