Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server
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@jaredbusch said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
But you all hung the fuck up on licensing and have mentioned no tools other than @DustinB3403 mentioning FOG and myself mentioning CloneZilla.
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
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@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@jaredbusch said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
But you all hung the fuck up on licensing and have mentioned no tools other than @DustinB3403 mentioning FOG and myself mentioning CloneZilla.
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Have you ever actually tried using MDT?
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@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@jaredbusch said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
But you all hung the fuck up on licensing and have mentioned no tools other than @DustinB3403 mentioning FOG and myself mentioning CloneZilla.
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Have you ever actually tried using MDT?
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
I'd use FOG over MDT if all the devices were the same and get the same software. But I could be wrong about FOG.
MDT is highly flexible and my impression of FOG is that it's not.
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I've used two that have been mentioned
The Fog method.
Created a machine, updated, drivers, them sysprep. Imaged that to the FOG server then booted via network boot and deployed the image to the client.Also CloneZilla.
Again build a PC/VM update, drivers, Sysprep then store the image on USB/Network and deploy that to the new machine. -
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@jaredbusch said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
But you all hung the fuck up on licensing and have mentioned no tools other than @DustinB3403 mentioning FOG and myself mentioning CloneZilla.
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Have you ever actually tried using MDT?
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
I'd use FOG over MDT if all the devices were the same or very few. But I could be wrong about FOG.
MDT is highly flexible and my impression of FOG is that it's not.
So Fog is Imaged based (what is being discussed) but with very little changes to your golden image, can you make it a more agnostic image.
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@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
How can you say you like it more if you've never tried it?
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@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
How can you say you like it more if you've never tried it?
Are you saying I should I like something that I haven't used yet more?
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I had an agnostic golden Windows 10 image setup with just a folder full of drivers for 4 different system models. To have the system go and check that directory for drivers you simply have to add a system directory and upon first start up the computer will install the drivers required.
Was super simple, nothing difficult in any way and made my life so much easier than having to go and find drivers after the fact.
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@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
How can you say you like it more if you've never tried it?
Are you saying I should I like something that I haven't used yet more?
I'm saying, you shouldn't dislike something you haven't used because of a perception you have.
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@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
How can you say you like it more if you've never tried it?
Are you saying I should I like something that I haven't used yet more?
I'm saying, you shouldn't dislike something you haven't used because of a perception you have.
I don't dislike it. I was being clear on my reasoning, that I haven't used it yet, but I have read about it. I haven't used it because of what I've read about it.
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@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
How can you say you like it more if you've never tried it?
Are you saying I should I like something that I haven't used yet more?
I'm saying, you shouldn't dislike something you haven't used because of a perception you have.
I don't dislike it. I was being clear on my reasoning, that I haven't used it yet, but I have read about it. I haven't used it because of what I've read about it.
You haven't used it because and I quote "FOG is clone-based imaging only". What do you think any imaging solution is? You would make your "clone" of your golden image, and that target now looks identical to your golden image. .
If you use a USB or DVD to deploy the image onto the target, it's still a clone of a golden image. . .
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@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
How can you say you like it more if you've never tried it?
Are you saying I should I like something that I haven't used yet more?
I'm saying, you shouldn't dislike something you haven't used because of a perception you have.
I don't dislike it. I was being clear on my reasoning, that I haven't used it yet, but I have read about it. I haven't used it because of what I've read about it.
You haven't used it because and I quote "FOG is clone-based imaging only". What do you think any imaging solution is? You would make your "clone" of your golden image, and that target now looks identical to your golden image. .
If you use a USB or DVD to deploy the image onto the target, it's still a clone of a golden image. . .
I take it you've never used WDS or MDT... or at least not past 4% of their capabilities. I'd consider 4% of the MDT capabilities to consist of having a golden image and deploying it. There's still so much more.
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@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
How can you say you like it more if you've never tried it?
Are you saying I should I like something that I haven't used yet more?
I'm saying, you shouldn't dislike something you haven't used because of a perception you have.
I don't dislike it. I was being clear on my reasoning, that I haven't used it yet, but I have read about it. I haven't used it because of what I've read about it.
You haven't used it because and I quote "FOG is clone-based imaging only". What do you think any imaging solution is? You would make your "clone" of your golden image, and that target now looks identical to your golden image. .
If you use a USB or DVD to deploy the image onto the target, it's still a clone of a golden image. . .
I take it you've never used WDS or MDT... or at least not past 4% of their capabilities. I'd consider 4% of the MDT capabilities to consist of having a golden image and deploying it. There's still so much more.
I do like using task sequences with a golden image.
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@nerdydad said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
I would think that Ansible and SaltStack are out since they typically don't have tie in to the Windows 10 OS AFAIK. Maybe a FOG server?
They don't image, either. They would be the layer on top of imaging.
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@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Will that run on something other than Windows?
"We don't want to invest in another Windows server unnecessarily for something that it isn't useful for."
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@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Anyways. . .
I already stated that licensing needs to be considered, and as for the tool to use, fogproject.org is the one. It's hands down the best imaging solution I've used and it just works, at scale.
Simple and quick and easy to maintain.
Does that require a server?
Can be run on anything. Raspberry Pi, desktop, server, etc.
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@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
How can you say you like it more if you've never tried it?
Are you saying I should I like something that I haven't used yet more?
I think he's saying that "more" can't apply. Because you like MDT "X" amount, but FOG you like "null" amount. In math, you can't compare against a null, because it doesn't exist. No value, of X can ever me more likely to be "more" than a null than it is to be "less" than a null. Using the logic that you've never tried FOG, you can't say that you then like MDT more, any more than you can say that you like it less. There is simply no comparison.
That was his point.
Otherwise we could interpret it at random. You love MDT, hate MDT, find it exactly the same as FOG... are all equally incorrect based on a null comparison.
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@irj said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Not much for popcorn here, lol. Or not any longer.
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@scottalanmiller said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@dustinb3403 said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
@obsolesce said in Options for Windows Desktop Deployments without Windows Server:
Yes, I like it more than FOG (though, I haven't used FOG yet) because I'm under the impression FOG is clone-based imaging only.
How can you say you like it more if you've never tried it?
Are you saying I should I like something that I haven't used yet more?
I think he's saying that "more" can't apply. Because you like MDT "X" amount, but FOG you like "null" amount. In math, you can't compare against a null, because it doesn't exist. No value, of X can ever me more likely to be "more" than a null than it is to be "less" than a null. Using the logic that you've never tried FOG, you can't say that you then like MDT more, any more than you can say that you like it less. There is simply no comparison.
That was his point.
Otherwise we could interpret it at random. You love MDT, hate MDT, find it exactly the same as FOG... are all equally incorrect based on a null comparison.
Because I have read about Fog and seen some of it, it's not null. Therefore I am able to have some like or dislike and form an opinion.
Just like I never drove a Lamborghini, but still like them more than a VW Beetle which I've owned in the past.
