Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates
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Not happening to me:
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@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
Nobody really knows. I've seen this happen at a number of different places now.
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Here is one just now that said it was up to date, but I forced a check and look what it needs...
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
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@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
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@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
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If you want to do automatic Windows updates in a similar way to DNF-Automatic for example, I'd load this module:
https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/2d191bcd-3308-4edd-9de2-88dff796b0bc
And then set up a scheduled task to run a script that loads the module and runs
Get-WUInstall. -
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
I guess in the same way Fedora GUI says different than cli regarding updates. That is the same and can't be trusted.
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@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
I guess in the same way Fedora GUI says different than cli regarding updates. That is the same and can't be trusted.
PackageKit sometimes show updates that are still available even after using dnf.
Its one of thosednf upgrade --refreshvspkcon refresh && pkcon update. -
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
I guess in the same way Fedora GUI says different than cli regarding updates. That is the same and can't be trusted.
Can't be, in Windows it's one thing that is wrong at one time and unknown at another. In Linux there is a master that is correct and an abstracted non-master that I don't use but might keep its own cache. The tool in Linux, dnf, that is the master is consistent. In Windows, the ONE tool that we KNOW is wrong, is the one you are saying you can trust. Totally different.
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I have seen this and I feel this is true, but then again I did just check mine and there were no new updates found.
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@penguinwrangler said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
I have seen this and I feel this is true, but then again I did just check mine and there were no new updates found.
At some point, the updates have actually been applied. Like if I run them manually, over and over, eventually it both says that none are available, and none actually are.
But like I updated a machine last week. Through 3-4 reboots, each time the system came up it said it was fully up to date, but still hadn't gone through all of the updates from just minutes before. So we can prove that its' not just failing to be up to date. It is actually checking, knows that updates are needed, and displays otherwise - over and over again, consistently.
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Which, in turn, I theorize, is causing Windows machines not to pull down updates that they should because even when set to update automatically, they check and see no updates, and don't update. I'm constantly finding machines not having updated for a long time, even when set to update constantly - but they always claim to be up to date until you check manually.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah thats why I have to run scripts to force them to check. This has been happening for years between windows10/windows 7
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
I guess in the same way Fedora GUI says different than cli regarding updates. That is the same and can't be trusted.
Can't be, in Windows it's one thing that is wrong at one time and unknown at another. In Linux there is a master that is correct and an abstracted non-master that I don't use but might keep its own cache. The tool in Linux, dnf, that is the master is consistent. In Windows, the ONE tool that we KNOW is wrong, is the one you are saying you can trust. Totally different.
Don't know what answer you're looking for then, unless you're just wanting to complain? I get it... you open the update window, don't do anything, and it shows one thing. You click the button to run the update check and process and it then finds updates... seems fine to me. It causes me no issues at all.
Close your eyes and don't open them until you click the button that makes it check for and process updates?
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@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
I guess in the same way Fedora GUI says different than cli regarding updates. That is the same and can't be trusted.
Can't be, in Windows it's one thing that is wrong at one time and unknown at another. In Linux there is a master that is correct and an abstracted non-master that I don't use but might keep its own cache. The tool in Linux, dnf, that is the master is consistent. In Windows, the ONE tool that we KNOW is wrong, is the one you are saying you can trust. Totally different.
Don't know what answer you're looking for then, unless you're just wanting to complain?
Well, first, IS there a deterministic way to know what the story is? Or do we have to trust something that we know isn't working?
Two, identifying problems is the FIRST step to fixing them. Do you call all bug reports "just complaining?" If something doesn't work, should we ignore it?
