Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?
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To give a quick example of the value of colo...
An older, cheap, 1U server that can have 32GB of RAM, the minimum you'd really want for a tiny lab, is going to be around $500 - hit up xByte.com for that.
Colo for that is going to be $50/mo. So $600/year.
So that is $1100 for the first year.
Do the same with Vultr or Digital Ocean or Linode and you are at $160/mo or $1920 for the first year.
The colo drops to just $600/year after the first year. The cloud VPS stays at $1920 each year.
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Beyond that, the VPS can't virtualize (but can do containers) so pretty much useless, especially for Windows. But ignore that point.
If you wanted to go a lot bigger, going to 64GB with the xByte server might be another $200 one time. To do that with the VPS will literally double the cost to $2840/year!
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Eeeek, that's starting to look too expensive.
I've got hardware lying around all over the place at work, I'm sure I could purloin some for a Linux box at home and go that route.
I've not had much to do with Linux. What should I look for for the server & virtualisation program?
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@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
What should I look for for the server & virtualisation program?
Just install Fedora 28. And install KVM, it's included.
dnf group install with-optional virtualizationThat's it. Everything you need is installed.
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/quick-docs/en-US/getting-started-with-virtualization.html
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@scottalanmiller Hey great thanks, Scott, I'll go and check that out this weeekend.
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Friday ended well. I located 3 Dell T610s I can lay my hands on. All have at least 24GB and at least 600GB SAS storage so I'm covered for hardware.
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@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
Friday ended well. I located 3 Dell T610s I can lay my hands on. All have at least 24GB and at least 600GB SAS storage so I'm covered for hardware.
That should do it.
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Crazy weekend.
Updated all the firmwares on the T610, installed Fedora, no problem. Need a GUI, so got that installed, no problem.
Post GUI install mouse decided it didn't want to work, move mouse wait .. wait .. wait, cursor moves. Unusable.
Replace mouse, no change. Cold boot no change. Rage building.
Dig up old 16GB 8 core i7 laptop I forgot about that runs W10.
Me thinks I'll use that instead & use Hyper-V. It's running 1511.
Update, update, update, update.
Then I find out my crappy modem just will not port forward.
Dig out old Billion modem, stuff around with that.
Arrgh! Can't find DSL log in password.
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@siringo consider skipping port forwarding for a lab with something like ZeroTier. Depends on your goals. What are you trying to do what would make you want to port forward?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo consider skipping port forwarding for a lab with something like ZeroTier. Depends on your goals. What are you trying to do what would make you want to port forward?
Trying to get access to the VMs on the host machine based at my house from the Interweb. So one of my current VPS windows servers can talk to one of the windows VMs on my home based host.
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@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo consider skipping port forwarding for a lab with something like ZeroTier. Depends on your goals. What are you trying to do what would make you want to port forward?
Trying to get access to the VMs on the host machine based at my house from the Interweb. So one of my current VPS windows servers can talk to one of the windows VMs on my home based host.
ZeroTier, then. If you want to act like it is a LAN, that's your best bet.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo consider skipping port forwarding for a lab with something like ZeroTier. Depends on your goals. What are you trying to do what would make you want to port forward?
Trying to get access to the VMs on the host machine based at my house from the Interweb. So one of my current VPS windows servers can talk to one of the windows VMs on my home based host.
ZeroTier, then. If you want to act like it is a LAN, that's your best bet.
Thanks Scott, I'll check it out & see what I can work out.
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@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo consider skipping port forwarding for a lab with something like ZeroTier. Depends on your goals. What are you trying to do what would make you want to port forward?
Trying to get access to the VMs on the host machine based at my house from the Interweb. So one of my current VPS windows servers can talk to one of the windows VMs on my home based host.
ZeroTier, then. If you want to act like it is a LAN, that's your best bet.
Thanks Scott, I'll check it out & see what I can work out.
This ZeroTier is awesome, I've managed to create a network and put 2 nodes on it. Just trying to work out how to communicate from 1 to the other. This is going to be great fun.
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@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo consider skipping port forwarding for a lab with something like ZeroTier. Depends on your goals. What are you trying to do what would make you want to port forward?
Trying to get access to the VMs on the host machine based at my house from the Interweb. So one of my current VPS windows servers can talk to one of the windows VMs on my home based host.
ZeroTier, then. If you want to act like it is a LAN, that's your best bet.
Thanks Scott, I'll check it out & see what I can work out.
This ZeroTier is awesome, I've managed to create a network and put 2 nodes on it. Just trying to work out how to communicate from 1 to the other. This is going to be great fun.
It's an amazing product, AND the founder is semi-active here on ML.
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Well I've managed to get my laptop & one of my 2016 VPSs to both have ZeroTier assigned IPs, but they can't ping each other yet, not sure why?? I'll look into it later tonight/tomorrow.
Is there a ZT area within ML I could post ZL related questions to?
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@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
Well I've managed to get my laptop & one of my 2016 VPSs to both have ZeroTier assigned IPs, but they can't ping each other yet, not sure why?? I'll look into it later tonight/tomorrow.
Is there a ZT area within ML I could post ZL related questions to?
No, ZT is not a sponsor. Just post in the usual area.
Are you sure that pings are not blocked?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
Well I've managed to get my laptop & one of my 2016 VPSs to both have ZeroTier assigned IPs, but they can't ping each other yet, not sure why?? I'll look into it later tonight/tomorrow.
Is there a ZT area within ML I could post ZL related questions to?
No, ZT is not a sponsor. Just post in the usual area.
Are you sure that pings are not blocked?
Ar yes, they are. I'll look at that tonight. Time to head home.
Thanks Scott, if ZT can do what I'm hoping it can, i'm going to be very excited. -
@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
@siringo said in Windows VMs on Linux VPS. Possible?:
Well I've managed to get my laptop & one of my 2016 VPSs to both have ZeroTier assigned IPs, but they can't ping each other yet, not sure why?? I'll look into it later tonight/tomorrow.
Is there a ZT area within ML I could post ZL related questions to?
No, ZT is not a sponsor. Just post in the usual area.
Are you sure that pings are not blocked?
Ar yes, they are. I'll look at that tonight. Time to head home.
Thanks Scott, if ZT can do what I'm hoping it can, i'm going to be very excited.ZT is a very powerful tool. Software Defined Networking allows for a lot of possibilities.
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Well I've managed to hook 3 hosts together via ZeroTier, what a great product/service, I'll be looking into that a bit further.
I nuked my W10 laptop as that was an upgrade from W8.1 to 10 and it was being held together by wire and sticky tape. I've installed Fedora WS on it.
I've just been racing into this and most likely not reading as much as I should, but so far so good.
So i've installed a 2016 server VM on the Fedora host, all went well except I can't use the mouse or kbd in the VM. In a Windows world I'd be fine, but with this being an OS I'm not familiar with, this may take a little hunting to work out. -
Visit spice space and install the guest tools in your VM.
