Chromebook Shipments Up 67%
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@Carnival-Boy said:
What kind of management can you do with Google/Chromebooks that you can't do with Office 365?
O365 is end user software, no management. Chromebooks are fully managed as devices, like AD and GPO. Completely different concepts. You can use O365 on Windows systems with or without AD or GPO, and you can use it on Chromebooks that are managed or unmanaged.
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At least if they went the window route printing wouldn't be an issue. Managing a home use Windows machine isn't much different than managing chrome so that has no bearing at all on a decision. The decision is if someone is using MS office or O365 then they can on the windows machine. Chrome is a big fat nope.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Or if not AD, InTune, which is cheaper but still costs. Plus the cost of antivirus software.
InTune is for patch management and anti-virus. It does not address any management. You use AD and InTune together, normally. And we do at NTG.
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InTune and Antivirus is a great example of where there is extra cost hidden in the Windows system. Patch management and AV are important issues there. Even unmanaged Chromebooks have that built in and need no extra cost.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I suppose because Windows is more powerful than Chrome, you need more management, and thus need AD.
AD doesn't provide management, but user directory services. Google does this for you. But the features are still there. It's not about "not needing AD's functionality", it is that AD is that functionality for Windows. Chomium uses something else.
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@scottalanmiller said:
InTune is for patch management and anti-virus. It does not address any management.
From Microsoft.com: "Windows Intune helps organizations let their people use the devices and applications they love while configuring device settings to meet compliance needs. Either completely from the cloud or connected to an existing System Center Configuration Manager infrastructure, Windows Intune lets you manage devices in a flexible way that’s best for you."
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@scottalanmiller said:
AD doesn't provide management, but user directory services. Google does this for you. But the features are still there. It's not about "not needing AD's functionality", it is that AD is that functionality for Windows. Chomium uses something else.
OK, let me clarify my question. What does Google do for user directory services that Office 365 doesn't? And what kind of device management can you do with a Chromebook?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
InTune is for patch management and anti-virus. It does not address any management.
From Microsoft.com: "Windows Intune helps organizations let their people use the devices and applications they love while configuring device settings to meet compliance needs. Either completely from the cloud or connected to an existing System Center Configuration Manager infrastructure, Windows Intune lets you manage devices in a flexible way that’s best for you."
We run it and consult on it. It really doesn't do what you are thinking at all. Part of it is MDM for mobile devices. Mostly it is just managing AV, patching, pushing software and a few other basic things. It is nothing like AD and GPO.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
OK, let me clarify my question. What does Google do for user directory services that Office 365 doesn't? And what kind of device management can you do with a Chromebook?
I'm lost. O365 doesn't do this at all. Chromebooks do. O365 is just applications. Those applications, not the machines that they run on, have user accounts. Chromebooks are fully managed.
SO... "everything"? I'm not sure how to answer because I can't figure out how O365 relates here.
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@scottalanmiller said:
It really doesn't do what you are thinking at all.
I have no idea what it does. I don't use it much. You said "InTune does not address any management" and Micrsoft said "InTune lets you mange devices". One of you is wrong.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
When you can get a Windows 10 notebook that does everything a Chromebook does plus loads and loads of other stuff and it costs maybe $50 more, I have to wonder why people would choose a Chromebook.
Performance and ease of use. Chromebooks are screaming fast and so simple to use. Much lower cost to manage. And a Chromebook at that price is enterprise, Windows is home use and cannot be managed by AD. So you go back to it costing twice as much if you want those features.
Hopefully (though I'm not holding my breath) MS will do away with the multiple SKUs for the Desktop OS.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
And what kind of device management can you do with a Chromebook?
Some things that you can do...
- User management (both directory services and authentication - everything AD does)
- Deploy and block applications
- Asset tracking
- User permissions and configurations
- Network setup
Pretty much anything that makes sense on a Chromebook can be done through the console. It is a fully managed system. It's like AD, InTune and a little more combined.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Moving from Home to Pro is easily over $100. That's pretty significant on a low cost laptop device that might only be $200 total for the Chromebook.
What does Google's management console for enterprise cost?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I have no idea what it does. I don't use it much. You said "InTune does not address any management" and Micrsoft said "InTune lets you mange devices". One of you is wrong.
Anything that does anything "lets you manage devices", but it doesn't cover anything that AD does. So in the way that most people in IT use the term manage, InTune does not. In the way that marketers use it to sell products, it does.
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@Dashrender said:
Hopefully (though I'm not holding my breath) MS will do away with the multiple SKUs for the Desktop OS.
It's not been mentioned at all.
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@Dashrender said:
What does Google's management console for enterprise cost?
It's not a published price. You contact sales and negotiate.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
InTune is for patch management and anti-virus. It does not address any management.
From Microsoft.com: "Windows Intune helps organizations let their people use the devices and applications they love while configuring device settings to meet compliance needs. Either completely from the cloud or connected to an existing System Center Configuration Manager infrastructure, Windows Intune lets you manage devices in a flexible way that’s best for you."
We run it and consult on it. It really doesn't do what you are thinking at all. Part of it is MDM for mobile devices. Mostly it is just managing AV, patching, pushing software and a few other basic things. It is nothing like AD and GPO.
Agreed - I rolled this out for a small client this summer - frankly I was disappointed with InTune
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
What does Google's management console for enterprise cost?
It's not a published price. You contact sales and negotiate.
OK It's probably not the same cost as buying the $100 upgrade to Windows Pro, but if it's a subscription, there's a good chance it will be the same or higher over the life of the machine.
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@Dashrender said:
Agreed - I rolled this out for a small client this summer - frankly I was disappointed with InTune
As long as you are aware up front that it is mobile WSUS and AV, it's great. If you get the marketing line that it is "management", you are in for some disappointment. Manage is one of those words that you can easily use to trick people. Doing anything on a device is "managing" it. But people have expected meanings of what managing a device is and InTune doesn't even come close to trying to do that. It isn't even user-aware, so how much management could it possibly do.
We use it and we like it, but that's because we need a central WSUS-like system for patching machines that sit on their own networks. It is great for that.
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@Dashrender said:
OK It's probably not the same cost as buying the $100 upgrade to Windows Pro, but if it's a subscription, there's a good chance it will be the same or higher over the life of the machine.
It's a service, not exactly the same as a subscription. But it is monthly pricing, of course, because it is a completely hosted service. But it is not comparable to Windows Pro, it is comparable to the entire AD infrastructure. It replaced AD, GPO, Windows Pro, VPN, etc. all in one go. And does so with all hardware and software hosted and managed so it replaces a lot more than just licensing.
