question about setting up a new domain controller
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
The whole topic around "what's a vendor" to "who's a salesman" to "how do I engage for advice", etc. is itself general business and somehow never, ever taught. The amount of problems that it creates really shows the problems with the IT education process. How has no one identified this as a huge educational gap and addressed it in the field? Clearly, because colleges and universities don't know IT in any way and just skip all of this stuff leaving it completely unaddressed. They don't look to the field to see where there are things being missed and don't don't work to fill them. They just ignore the field and leave things like this unmentioned.
Is IT (the business sense) even taught in any school?
From Scott's postings.. IT should be more akin to Business School that tech school. From Scott's postings, it's less about technology and more about ensuring that proper business understanding of use/integration of technology is involved.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
The whole topic around "what's a vendor" to "who's a salesman" to "how do I engage for advice", etc. is itself general business and somehow never, ever taught. The amount of problems that it creates really shows the problems with the IT education process. How has no one identified this as a huge educational gap and addressed it in the field? Clearly, because colleges and universities don't know IT in any way and just skip all of this stuff leaving it completely unaddressed. They don't look to the field to see where there are things being missed and don't don't work to fill them. They just ignore the field and leave things like this unmentioned.
Is IT (the business sense) even taught in any school?
Yes, it's called business school. That's why we mention that and psychology as the top degrees that we want to see for IT graduates. That's where the most IT related stuff gets taught.
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Now, of course, the question still is "is it taught well?" But, in general, business is taught reasonably well by good business schools. It is certainly the kind of thing that universities are decent at teaching.
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So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
yep.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
yep.
holy shit do I actually understand something???
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
yep.
holy shit do I actually understand something???
LOL - it seems so.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
yep.
holy shit do I actually understand something???
It happens to everyone who hangs out here long enough.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
$4
Wait, hosted Exchange through MS is $4? I thought it was $5 per month. That's what Minion Queen quoted me for just hosted Exchange.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
$4
$4? I thought it was $5 per month. That's what Minion Queen quoted me for just hosted Exchange.
$5 is for O365. Includes OneDrive for Business, Sharepoint, Office Online.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
$4
$4? I thought it was $5 per month. That's what Minion Queen quoted me for just hosted Exchange.
$5 is for O365. Includes OneDrive for Business, Sharepoint, Office Online.
$4 is for Hosted Exchange from MS.bangs head on desk
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
https://i.imgur.com/HO6fRzW.png
https://i.imgur.com/egazLgM.pngYeah, I saw that several times. It's the only thing I've seen. Where the hell is the thing that shows the $4 price?
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Yes, that's what you watch out for. GoDaddy is cheaper, too. You don't get O365, it just looks like it.
I've personally been through this with AppRiver. You get the full O365.. even teh same licensing business E1 and E3... the only difference is tht it's cheaper and you don't pay Microsoft.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
ok thanks. I don't know why I'm having so much trouble today.
https://products.office.com/en-us/exchange/compare-microsoft-exchange-online-plans -
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
ok thanks. I don't know why I'm having so much trouble today.
https://products.office.com/en-us/exchange/compare-microsoft-exchange-online-plansIt is a Monday
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Yes, that's what you watch out for. GoDaddy is cheaper, too. You don't get O365, it just looks like it.
I've personally been through this with AppRiver. You get the full O365.. even teh same licensing business E1 and E3... the only difference is tht it's cheaper and you don't pay Microsoft.
Well everyone here is telling me not to go through a reseller and to go direct thru MS via a partner.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
https://i.imgur.com/HO6fRzW.png
https://i.imgur.com/egazLgM.pngYeah, I saw that several times. It's the only thing I've seen. Where the hell is the thing that shows the $4 price?
MS really doesn't want you to buy this - don't ask me why, I can't imagine that offering you these other things for the extra $1/m really makes them that much more money.. but.. maybe it really does because maybe, people in the position to buy O365 Business Essentials is that unlikely to actually use those features, therefore it's just extra money in MS's pocket.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
https://i.imgur.com/HO6fRzW.png
https://i.imgur.com/egazLgM.pngYeah, I saw that several times. It's the only thing I've seen. Where the hell is the thing that shows the $4 price?
MS really doesn't want you to buy this - don't ask me why, I can't imagine that offering you these other things for the extra $1/m really makes them that much more money.. but.. maybe it really does because maybe, people in the position to buy O365 Business Essentials is that unlikely to actually use those features, therefore it's just extra money in MS's pocket.
I feel like I'm on crazy pills today.
