question about setting up a new domain controller
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
Except you HAVE found them. Why do you keep saying you haven't found one?
Locally and previously I mean. You guys have just provided me with some partners..
Oh okay. Then sure, but I assume that in the past no one even knew to go looking for them. So without knowing to look, you tend not to find.
yeah see I came into this job as my first IT gig, knowing nothing. I was more or less told, "here is our Dell VAR and here are a few other IT related contacts of companies we go through for things." So I have been using the contact info I was given but as I go online and ask questions (constantly), I'm learning about all the BS and pitfalls (mainly thanks to you).
This one, if we back up to its generic root (rather than getting mired in the specific details of Microsoft's weird system for their hosted services) is, I truly believe, the number one thing that is most important to know and understand about IT (and business in general.) The idea of understand vendor relationships, business alignment, who is sales and who is IT, etc. It's general business knowledge and not unique to IT, but it is never taught but assumed that business people will just know, and in IT it is far more dramatic and difficult to identify and businesses often try to ignore IT needs and fail to provide more general business support to it like they would if this was accounting or human resources.
I've been realizing this more and more as I go. I need to spend some time focusing on ironing all this out somehow..
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
The whole topic around "what's a vendor" to "who's a salesman" to "how do I engage for advice", etc. is itself general business and somehow never, ever taught. The amount of problems that it creates really shows the problems with the IT education process. How has no one identified this as a huge educational gap and addressed it in the field? Clearly, because colleges and universities don't know IT in any way and just skip all of this stuff leaving it completely unaddressed. They don't look to the field to see where there are things being missed and don't don't work to fill them. They just ignore the field and leave things like this unmentioned.
Is IT (the business sense) even taught in any school?
From Scott's postings.. IT should be more akin to Business School that tech school. From Scott's postings, it's less about technology and more about ensuring that proper business understanding of use/integration of technology is involved.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
The whole topic around "what's a vendor" to "who's a salesman" to "how do I engage for advice", etc. is itself general business and somehow never, ever taught. The amount of problems that it creates really shows the problems with the IT education process. How has no one identified this as a huge educational gap and addressed it in the field? Clearly, because colleges and universities don't know IT in any way and just skip all of this stuff leaving it completely unaddressed. They don't look to the field to see where there are things being missed and don't don't work to fill them. They just ignore the field and leave things like this unmentioned.
Is IT (the business sense) even taught in any school?
Yes, it's called business school. That's why we mention that and psychology as the top degrees that we want to see for IT graduates. That's where the most IT related stuff gets taught.
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Now, of course, the question still is "is it taught well?" But, in general, business is taught reasonably well by good business schools. It is certainly the kind of thing that universities are decent at teaching.
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So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
yep.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
yep.
holy shit do I actually understand something???
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
yep.
holy shit do I actually understand something???
LOL - it seems so.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
So going back to the reseller vs partner bit:
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If I go through a partner, they will help me get set up with hosted Exchange directly through MS, so I am subject only to MS?
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If I go through a re-seller, I basically get their version of that service, which means I am subject to the limitations they put on it (max mailbox size for example) and I am also subject to their pricing as well as the risk that the are responsible for paying MS to keep our Exchange active?
yep.
holy shit do I actually understand something???
It happens to everyone who hangs out here long enough.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
$4
Wait, hosted Exchange through MS is $4? I thought it was $5 per month. That's what Minion Queen quoted me for just hosted Exchange.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
$4
$4? I thought it was $5 per month. That's what Minion Queen quoted me for just hosted Exchange.
$5 is for O365. Includes OneDrive for Business, Sharepoint, Office Online.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
$4
$4? I thought it was $5 per month. That's what Minion Queen quoted me for just hosted Exchange.
$5 is for O365. Includes OneDrive for Business, Sharepoint, Office Online.
$4 is for Hosted Exchange from MS.bangs head on desk
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
https://i.imgur.com/HO6fRzW.png
https://i.imgur.com/egazLgM.pngYeah, I saw that several times. It's the only thing I've seen. Where the hell is the thing that shows the $4 price?
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Yes, that's what you watch out for. GoDaddy is cheaper, too. You don't get O365, it just looks like it.
I've personally been through this with AppRiver. You get the full O365.. even teh same licensing business E1 and E3... the only difference is tht it's cheaper and you don't pay Microsoft.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
ok thanks. I don't know why I'm having so much trouble today.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
ok thanks. I don't know why I'm having so much trouble today.
https://products.office.com/en-us/exchange/compare-microsoft-exchange-online-plansIt is a Monday
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Yes, that's what you watch out for. GoDaddy is cheaper, too. You don't get O365, it just looks like it.
I've personally been through this with AppRiver. You get the full O365.. even teh same licensing business E1 and E3... the only difference is tht it's cheaper and you don't pay Microsoft.
Well everyone here is telling me not to go through a reseller and to go direct thru MS via a partner.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
https://i.imgur.com/HO6fRzW.png
https://i.imgur.com/egazLgM.pngYeah, I saw that several times. It's the only thing I've seen. Where the hell is the thing that shows the $4 price?
MS really doesn't want you to buy this - don't ask me why, I can't imagine that offering you these other things for the extra $1/m really makes them that much more money.. but.. maybe it really does because maybe, people in the position to buy O365 Business Essentials is that unlikely to actually use those features, therefore it's just extra money in MS's pocket.
