Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller"
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@scottalanmiller said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@emad-r said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
Actually cause I live in the MENA region I can tell you one of the main factors why nobody runs Linux OS is cause of piracy, why learn a new free OS when you can have the standard OS also for free (pirated).
If it was for 100 USD and people will actually pay it, trust me the MENA region would be linux desktop Mecca/Makkah .
Windows is effectively free here, too. No one really "pays" for it. But how does getting it free help in any real way?
In an area where an extra $100 (and we know it's no where near that much) is added to a PC purchase, sure free doesn't really matter.
But if piracy wasn't possible - I guess price itself wouldn't matter, but not free vs free would hugely matter where $5 is a huge investment (like the MENA region).
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@dashrender said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@scottalanmiller said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@emad-r said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
Actually cause I live in the MENA region I can tell you one of the main factors why nobody runs Linux OS is cause of piracy, why learn a new free OS when you can have the standard OS also for free (pirated).
If it was for 100 USD and people will actually pay it, trust me the MENA region would be linux desktop Mecca/Makkah .
Windows is effectively free here, too. No one really "pays" for it. But how does getting it free help in any real way?
In an area where an extra $100 (and we know it's no where near that much) is added to a PC purchase, sure free doesn't really matter.
But if piracy wasn't possible - I guess price itself wouldn't matter, but not free vs free would hugely matter where $5 is a huge investment (like the MENA region).
Yes, but are they getting machines that don't have the MS tax already applied? And the tax isn't $100, it's not nearly that much.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@dashrender said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@scottalanmiller said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@emad-r said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
Actually cause I live in the MENA region I can tell you one of the main factors why nobody runs Linux OS is cause of piracy, why learn a new free OS when you can have the standard OS also for free (pirated).
If it was for 100 USD and people will actually pay it, trust me the MENA region would be linux desktop Mecca/Makkah .
Windows is effectively free here, too. No one really "pays" for it. But how does getting it free help in any real way?
In an area where an extra $100 (and we know it's no where near that much) is added to a PC purchase, sure free doesn't really matter.
But if piracy wasn't possible - I guess price itself wouldn't matter, but not free vs free would hugely matter where $5 is a huge investment (like the MENA region).
Yes, but are they getting machines that don't have the MS tax already applied?
I have no clue - but I would assume so (I assume there is no MS tax in the purchase of the hardware) - otherwise, why the need to pirate?
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@dashrender said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@scottalanmiller said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@dashrender said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@scottalanmiller said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@emad-r said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
Actually cause I live in the MENA region I can tell you one of the main factors why nobody runs Linux OS is cause of piracy, why learn a new free OS when you can have the standard OS also for free (pirated).
If it was for 100 USD and people will actually pay it, trust me the MENA region would be linux desktop Mecca/Makkah .
Windows is effectively free here, too. No one really "pays" for it. But how does getting it free help in any real way?
In an area where an extra $100 (and we know it's no where near that much) is added to a PC purchase, sure free doesn't really matter.
But if piracy wasn't possible - I guess price itself wouldn't matter, but not free vs free would hugely matter where $5 is a huge investment (like the MENA region).
Yes, but are they getting machines that don't have the MS tax already applied?
I have no clue - but I would assume so (I assume there is no MS tax in the purchase of the hardware) - otherwise, why the need to pirate?
Updates.
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Android = Linux
Linux is on servers, portables, and other devices.There's more Linux than anything.
Even more if you Unix based.
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And Desktop is dieing.
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I’m surprised that there are still huge computer departments in retail stores and that laptops prices have surged back up.
I think maybe the perception would be different if you walked in and started seeing Linux distros preinstalled on laptops at your local Best Buy.
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@bigbear said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
I think maybe the perception would be different if you walked in and started seeing Linux distros preinstalled on laptops at your local Best Buy.
That would be great.
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If companies like LiquidSky are successful in enabling low cost linux desktops to play any game ($100 desktop playing the highest of high-end games), then I can see a huge resurgence--relatively speaking. Gaming is one of the reasons people won't move from windows even with a lot of games making Linux ports. Just my opinion though, could be wrong.
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@wirestyle22 said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
If companies like LiquidSky are successful in enabling low cost linux desktops to play any game ($100 desktop playing the highest of high-end games), then I can see a huge resurgence--relatively speaking. Gaming is one of the reasons people won't move from windows even with a lot of games making Linux ports. Just my opinion though, could be wrong.
$100??? What kind of crap graphics is in that?
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@dashrender said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@wirestyle22 said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
If companies like LiquidSky are successful in enabling low cost linux desktops to play any game ($100 desktop playing the highest of high-end games), then I can see a huge resurgence--relatively speaking. Gaming is one of the reasons people won't move from windows even with a lot of games making Linux ports. Just my opinion though, could be wrong.
$100??? What kind of crap graphics is in that?
Just enough to RDP into the LiquidSky machine
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@wirestyle22 said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@dashrender said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@wirestyle22 said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
If companies like LiquidSky are successful in enabling low cost linux desktops to play any game ($100 desktop playing the highest of high-end games), then I can see a huge resurgence--relatively speaking. Gaming is one of the reasons people won't move from windows even with a lot of games making Linux ports. Just my opinion though, could be wrong.
$100??? What kind of crap graphics is in that?
Just enough to RDP into the LiquidSky machine
Have you used the service yet? Given the wikipedia page is a BS PR blurb that is marked for deletion I am curious about the actual claims...
I would imagine you could accomplish everything they are doing with RemoteFX and the latest GPU virtualization support.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiquidSky
From the article:
LiquidSky's key features include:
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30ms minimum latency (depends on ISP and user distance from data center)
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The ability to install any games the user has purchased.
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State of the art technology to keep up with the latest games.
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Lightning fast internet speeds, with 10GB per second downloads and 100MB per second uploads.
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Secure storage solutions, which the company dubs "SkyStorage"
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The service delivers users a virtual computer running a customized version of Windows Server 2016, which has been preloaded with essential apps such as a web browser. The computer also comes preloaded with major game distribution platforms such as Steam, Origin, and the Blizzard App.
How is that again?
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I looked at that LiquidSky thing, but on briefly. I can't imagine playing something with double ping. That seems crazy. Especially paying for something like that, it's so expensive.
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It does seem to have its on client, not just Microsoft Desktop.
Given the history of these kinds of things I would think anything significant would come directly from Nvidia. The last startup that was led by a crazy young CEO shut down and sold the IP for $1 to another company he started. Which, I always thought was just a scam.
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@wirestyle22 are you using, can you vouch?
Would be nervous to login with my kids steam credentials to try, trying to work out in me head how this would be setup.
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I considered trying it was it was Windows only which seemed insane to me as peole with Windows can already play the games without the service, it's people with Linux that would benefit most. As my only Windows machine is my Steam machine, I didn't see any reason to keep looking at it.
The price is so high, without a super cheap local computer option to use it with, it makes no sense to me.
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@bigbear said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@wirestyle22 are you using, can you vouch?
Would be nervous to login with my kids steam credentials to try, trying to work out in me head how this would be setup.
I have used it and am in direct contact with one of the devs if you guys have questions. Any of the normal games I play felt fantastic (r6 siege, street fighter 5, battlerite, divinity original sin 2). They use an algorithm for keyboard and mouse latency that is apparently fantastic. With that said there are issues with some games I've heard of but have not experienced. Doom was one of them, which I haven't played.
You can create a new steam account as they have locally installed demos you can play if you're nervous. One of my good friends works for the company, although he's not the dev I know.
I agree with @scottalanmiller. Low cost Linux desktops are where it will really shine
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@wirestyle22 What about real massive multiplayer games like WoW or PUG types?
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@tim_g said in Why hasn’t The Year of the Linux Desktop happened yet? -"Christian F.K. Schaller":
@wirestyle22 What about real massive multiplayer games like WoW or PUG types?
WoW's latency algorithms were really amazing when they first launched. I was able to play on some really shitty dialup and still participate in most of the action. I doubt you'd see much of a difference.
