HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?
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@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
I bet MS is collecting 10x the info (and more personal too) that HP is.
I think the issue here is that you are imagining that lots of companies are doing things really, really bad and, for some reason, you feel that HP is not - even though HP just got caught doing something really, really bad and no one else did (except Lenovo, of course.)
I think the real double standard here is giving HP a free pass, or a reduced pass or whatever, based off of unfounded (but possibly correct) assumptions rather than what we know. What we KNOW is that HP is doing something really, really bad. What we know about everyone else (except Lenovo) is that they might be doing things we don't know about.
You are seeing us holding someone who got caught accountable as a double standard. But you are doing so based on wild assumptions. In reality, I think it is exactly the opposite. We are treating everyone the same - if you doing something bad and we know about it, we hold you accountable.
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@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Google is storing THEIR data, not mine.
And you know this?
You know HP is not just storing HP hardware related usage info?
This is a good point.
What big companies say they do, and what they actually do, are two very different things. It's just a matter of if/when they get caught.
One might say well Google has a reputation and will not do something like that. Sure, until they do. Just like Lenovo and HP didn't... until they did.
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@dbeato said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Interesting, I have only Dell workstations so I cannot say. Let's see what @travisdh1 says about this.
I've been sidetracked all day dealing with vehicle issues. It doesn't look good from the little I've read so far. Of course this would be strike 1, and the real telling point is how they react now that it's public knowledge. Lenovo remains in the **** house because they react exactly the opposite of what a legit company would.
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@tim_g said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Every device phones home licenses and logins and maybe even usage data. But since they don't ask us, and we don't see, it must be ok.
What are you talking about? Can you provide concrete examples? I don't know of any that have been ignored like you are suggesting.
Windows 10 wants you to sign in with a Microsoft account. We know it stores your licensing and account data, but apparently stores all your entire configurations too, and can track usage and Cortana data and voice learning and a million other things.
I bet MS is collecting 10x the info (and more personal too) that HP is.I like this, because I use MS Services, and I like the benefits of my stuff being processed by their AI. I get messages from Cortana on my Android phone when my football team wins (they don't lose, so I haven't been getting those), I get reminders when things are nearing on my calendar... I get notifications when my packages are shipped/arrived... etc etc etc. That stuff I'm aware of and I actually want it.
And what benefits would result from HP being able to collect data? Better diagnostics, hardware updates, driver support, bug fixing, I dunno.
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@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Google is storing THEIR data, not mine.
And you know this?
You know HP is not just storing HP hardware related usage info?
Google we know this, yes. Because they don't have access to my data. Your assertion here is that Google makes malware and logs into our machines and steals it.
HP storing ANYTHING isn't allowed, period. You keep adding details that don't relate to what matters here. It's not HP's hardware, it's mine. Malware is malware, spyware is spyware. We have a problem here. That you assume HP is innocent no matter what crimes they commit and that all others are guilty regardless of evidence, is never going to make sense with us holding HP accountable for us knowing that they have done something horrible.
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@tim_g said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Google is storing THEIR data, not mine.
And you know this?
You know HP is not just storing HP hardware related usage info?
This is a good point.
What big companies say they do, and what they actually do, are two very different things. It's just a matter of if/when they get caught.
One might say well Google has a reputation and will not do something like that. Sure, until they do. Just like Lenovo and HP didn't... until they did.
Yes, but we are talking about malware here, not data retention. So the assertion is that Google is making malware and stealing data from our machines. THis is a slippery slope argument. Once "anyone can be a crook" is all it takes to justify anything, everything is justified.
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@travisdh1 said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@dbeato said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Interesting, I have only Dell workstations so I cannot say. Let's see what @travisdh1 says about this.
I've been sidetracked all day dealing with vehicle issues. It doesn't look good from the little I've read so far. Of course this would be strike 1, and the real telling point is how they react now that it's public knowledge. Lenovo remains in the **** house because they react exactly the opposite of what a legit company would.
A good company would never have let either of these things happen in the first place. Hopefully we see public prosecution of the people involved.
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@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@tim_g said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Google is storing THEIR data, not mine.
And you know this?
You know HP is not just storing HP hardware related usage info?
This is a good point.
What big companies say they do, and what they actually do, are two very different things. It's just a matter of if/when they get caught.
One might say well Google has a reputation and will not do something like that. Sure, until they do. Just like Lenovo and HP didn't... until they did.
Yes, but we are talking about malware here, not data retention. So the assertion is that Google is making malware and stealing data from our machines. THis is a slippery slope argument. Once "anyone can be a crook" is all it takes to justify anything, everything is justified.
Oh I know, I was just using Google as an example to make a point.
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@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@tim_g said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Every device phones home licenses and logins and maybe even usage data. But since they don't ask us, and we don't see, it must be ok.
What are you talking about? Can you provide concrete examples? I don't know of any that have been ignored like you are suggesting.
Windows 10 wants you to sign in with a Microsoft account. We know it stores your licensing and account data, but apparently stores all your entire configurations too, and can track usage and Cortana data and voice learning and a million other things.
I bet MS is collecting 10x the info (and more personal too) that HP is.I like this, because I use MS Services, and I like the benefits of my stuff being processed by their AI. I get messages from Cortana on my Android phone when my football team wins (they don't lose, so I haven't been getting those), I get reminders when things are nearing on my calendar... I get notifications when my packages are shipped/arrived... etc etc etc. That stuff I'm aware of and I actually want it.
And what benefits would result from HP being able to collect data? Better diagnostics, hardware updates, driver support, bug fixing, I dunno.
ANd that matters why? YOu keep mentioning how they can use this data, but you keep ignoring that they are stealing that data via spyware that is a federal crime in the US and insanely unethical.
The NSA can use all kinds of data for handy purposes. Every spyware vendor can use the data that they steal for useful purposes. Is that really all it takes to let crooks off? They "might use it for something useful to them?"
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@tim_g said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@tim_g said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Google is storing THEIR data, not mine.
And you know this?
You know HP is not just storing HP hardware related usage info?
This is a good point.
What big companies say they do, and what they actually do, are two very different things. It's just a matter of if/when they get caught.
One might say well Google has a reputation and will not do something like that. Sure, until they do. Just like Lenovo and HP didn't... until they did.
Yes, but we are talking about malware here, not data retention. So the assertion is that Google is making malware and stealing data from our machines. THis is a slippery slope argument. Once "anyone can be a crook" is all it takes to justify anything, everything is justified.
Oh I know, I was just using Google as an example to make a point.
But what is the point? That we should not care what companies get caught doing because we assume someone else didn't get caught for something different? What use is that logic - other than to excuse all illegal activity since we can never prove that we caught everyone. Crime can't exist, all ethics go out the window.
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Have we got any confirmation by a forum member of this being a real thing?
I don't want to start the witch hunt without evidence of fuckwittery
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@mattspeller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Have we got any confirmation by a forum member of this being a real thing?
I don't want to start the witch hunt without evidence of fuckwittery
We have one HP laptop here, but no Windows. So doesn't affect us.
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@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@mattspeller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Have we got any confirmation by a forum member of this being a real thing?
I don't want to start the witch hunt without evidence of fuckwittery
We have one HP laptop here, but no Windows. So doesn't affect us.
Nuke it, geez mate what are you waiting for
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@mattspeller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@mattspeller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Have we got any confirmation by a forum member of this being a real thing?
I don't want to start the witch hunt without evidence of fuckwittery
We have one HP laptop here, but no Windows. So doesn't affect us.
Nuke it, geez mate what are you waiting for
Jeremy already hates it enough as it is. He's so jealous of the Dell and Asus machines.
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@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@mattspeller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@mattspeller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Have we got any confirmation by a forum member of this being a real thing?
I don't want to start the witch hunt without evidence of fuckwittery
We have one HP laptop here, but no Windows. So doesn't affect us.
Nuke it, geez mate what are you waiting for
Jeremy already hates it enough as it is. He's so jealous of the Dell and Asus machines.
I contractor I worked with said that HP stood for Hardly Productive.
I've not found it to be the case but YMMV.
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@mattspeller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@mattspeller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Have we got any confirmation by a forum member of this being a real thing?
I don't want to start the witch hunt without evidence of fuckwittery
We have one HP laptop here, but no Windows. So doesn't affect us.
Nuke it, geez mate what are you waiting for
Waiting on my HP Contact, they are not giving statement yet.
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/sigh!
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Oh HP, what were you thinking?
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Now we just need Dell to pull this shit for the trifecta.
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@dashrender said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Now we just need Dell to pull this shit for the trifecta.
Private company without the pressures of Wall St. They are the least likely to pull this BS, I think.
