If a business were all linux would they use Office 365
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@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
This totally assume no collaboration. Is that reasonable?
Collaboration can be done using the lowest common denominator. Send the file in an RTF format if that's required... or better yet use Sharepoint or Office Online to do live collaboration and single master documents.
Does that work for non company people? i.e. I need to collaborate with another business? One who doesn't have O365?
Yes, they recently allowed guest editing. It's only been available for 3 or 4 months but you can invite someone by email or link to edit a document.
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
Should but don't. We are forced to deal with the BS of our end users as we have no real power here. I'd imagine a lot of MSP's are in a similar situation.
Sure... but why would you create a rule based on the exceptions? Windows 10 has an included PDF printer. Linux has had it forever. If you get something in a doc format there is no guarantee that someone, even with Microsoft Office, will have the same formatting, fonts, etc, etc.
The director of purchasing has the ability to convert PDF's to word and she refuses to do it. Sends it to us and then the mayors office calls us and asks us to do it. It's like two clicks. That's what we are dealing with here and that's just one example. The people here suck and are completely stubborn and ignorant.
Well, you can't base a discussion around those who don't follow best practice. Every discussion needs to start from a point of Best Practice, then step back from it as required by the situation.
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@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
Should but don't. We are forced to deal with the BS of our end users as we have no real power here. I'd imagine a lot of MSP's are in a similar situation.
Sure... but why would you create a rule based on the exceptions? Windows 10 has an included PDF printer. Linux has had it forever. If you get something in a doc format there is no guarantee that someone, even with Microsoft Office, will have the same formatting, fonts, etc, etc.
The director of purchasing has the ability to convert PDF's to word and she refuses to do it. Sends it to us and then the mayors office calls us and asks us to do it. It's like two clicks. That's what we are dealing with here and that's just one example. The people here suck and are completely stubborn and ignorant.
Well, you can't base a discussion around those who don't follow best practice. Every discussion needs to start from a point of Best Practice, then step back from it as required by the situation.
I think we can simply because companies in my position cannot force the company that hired us to comply. I wish we could fire them as our customer honestly. It's like they want to fail.
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
This totally assume no collaboration. Is that reasonable?
Collaboration can be done using the lowest common denominator. Send the file in an RTF format if that's required... or better yet use Sharepoint or Office Online to do live collaboration and single master documents.
Does that work for non company people? i.e. I need to collaborate with another business? One who doesn't have O365?
Yes, they recently allowed guest editing. It's only been available for 3 or 4 months but you can invite someone by email or link to edit a document.
That's interesting, I didn't know that
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Another part of it is companies outside of yours are going to send you documentation as well. Where does the expectation of best practice end?
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
Another part of it is companies outside of yours are going to send you documentation. Where does the expectation of best practice end?
Why would it end? Why would you expect someone to do less?
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
Another part of it is companies outside of yours are going to send you documentation. Where does the expectation of best practice end?
Why would it end? Why would you expect someone to do less?
I've literally never worked for a good company so my expectations are very low of companies and now government
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
Another part of it is companies outside of yours are going to send you documentation. Where does the expectation of best practice end?
Why would it end? Why would you expect someone to do less?
We also are forced by the state to do stupid things and there is nothing we can do about it. Government sucks.
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
Another part of it is companies outside of yours are going to send you documentation as well. Where does the expectation of best practice end?
If your company is following best practice, and there is no need for collaboration, said company can create email rules blocking inbound doc/docx/xls/xlsx, etc files. Then when the remote person says - hey why didn't you get my attachment, said company says - you need to send them to us via PDF. Force the issue. If that company is unwilling to accept that, it's time to start looking for a new business partner, because clearly they don't want to work in good business practices. Of course, this is probably a c-level discussion between companies if the workers can't get it sorted out (i.e. screw you I'm not converting it.. you just accept it my way - LOL)
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
Another part of it is companies outside of yours are going to send you documentation. Where does the expectation of best practice end?
Why would it end? Why would you expect someone to do less?
I've literally never worked for a good company so my expectations are very low of companies and now government
That would be true.
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@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
and there is no need for collaboration
It's government so we are constantly collaborating with the state. The higher the government body the less they care about your specific trials and tribulations. Just make yourself compliant, period--which would be great if they were telling us to do the right things. They aren't.
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@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
and there is no need for collaboration
It's government so we are constantly collaborating with the state. The higher the government body the less they care about your specific trials and tribulations. Just make yourself compliant, period--which would be great if they were telling us to do the right things. They aren't.
Right - but that's a separate discussion - more or less in a silo. The results of which are nearly useless to anyone else, because of the specifically non-best practice requirements.
The same goes for Healthcare - we must use faxing, even though a most non-healthcare/non-government businesses gave up faxing ages ago.
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@dustinb3403 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
So the topic specifically was using Office365 via web, not with the install-able option. Of course a business would be able to take that route, but is there a good reason to do so when Office365 does as good of a job as it does?
Would a business opt to use a different solution entirely?
Zoho has all of that also. So most likely they would use O365/Zoho/G-Suite
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
And when are we going to stop sending office documents outside of the company? They should be PDFs. The hosted solutions (or sharepoint) allow for real time collaboration on documents. Then it should be converted to a PDF. If you want to do a one off document, create it and convert to PDF. Sending documents in doc types is just incorrect.
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@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
Bah I responded before I read the whole thread.
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@stacksofplates said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
Bah I responded before I read the whole thread.
Nah you're good. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
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If we could install and run MS Office on Linux about half of our company would switch immediately.
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@stacksofplates said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
Bah I responded before I read the whole thread.
Unbelievably, we get quotes that are in all the time in both xls and doc.
I tried blocking doc/docx, etc at the spam filter and the world went into a tail spin!
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@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@stacksofplates said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@dashrender said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@wirestyle22 said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
@coliver said in If a business were all linux would they use Office 365:
What prevents them from using O365? It's generally one of the least expensive enterprise email solutions available.
I think he means with full features
What features would be missing? Email, calendaring, contacts, OneDrive, Sharepoint, Skype for Business, are all available on Linux in one form or another.
Well specifically you left off all of the MS Office apps that can be installed locally. But I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that WINE was originally created because someone wanted to run MS Office on Linux OSes
What benefit does Microsoft Office provide to a Linux shop that LibreOffice doesn't provide?
Libreoffice often requires conversion of the more complex office documents. If you can't seamlessly open them and have everything displayed correctly it's not very useful IMO. It's a little different if you're just starting your company and it starts as linux right in the beginning though.
The topic was about a Linux shop. If we're talking about a mixed shop you have a point, although it's not as big of an issue lately as it has been in the past.
They are likely to receive some type of office documentation via e-mail here so I'm considering that too
Any received or sent document shouldn't be in a doc format. They should be sending, and expecting, documents in pdf.
Bah I responded before I read the whole thread.
Unbelievably, we get quotes that are in all the time in both xls and doc.
I tried blocking doc/docx, etc at the spam filter and the world went into a tail spin!
I once did similar thing and nearly got fired, I blocked email with macros attachment and the financial department went nuts.
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Skimmed entire thread because, WTF.
Seriously, what does the OS have to do with the choice of O365?
Obviously if you cannot run the desktop apps, then there is no reason to pay for a subscription that includes them, but that has nothing to do with the rest of the features of O365 or any other solution such as GStuite.
You buy the solution that fits your needs. O365 has many packages that give you features without the desktop applications.
