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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      We are buying two servers and not clustering them so we essentially lose the resources of the second server as it's not being used for anything else.

      Why would you assume you need/want to cluster them? If you don't have licensing for that, that is yet another expense to make that work.

      Also, what Hypervisor are they looking at? Hyper-V would be free in this case, but if they are a VMWare shop, then clustering is even more expense.

      This is a 100% Hyper-V shop.

      Isn't one of the strenghts of virtualization that you can allocate resources in a way where wasted resources are at the very least greatly reduced? An almost completely wasted server is the opposite of what we are trying to do in the modern world especially when their reasoning is hardware redundancy. You can have hardware redundancy with clustering and retain all of your resources. Seems like a no brainer to me.

      The goal of virtualization is abstraction.

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      • wirestyle22W
        wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        We are buying two servers and not clustering them so we essentially lose the resources of the second server as it's not being used for anything else.

        Why would you assume you need/want to cluster them? If you don't have licensing for that, that is yet another expense to make that work.

        Also, what Hypervisor are they looking at? Hyper-V would be free in this case, but if they are a VMWare shop, then clustering is even more expense.

        This is a 100% Hyper-V shop.

        Isn't one of the strenghts of virtualization that you can allocate resources in a way where wasted resources are at the very least greatly reduced? An almost completely wasted server is the opposite of what we are trying to do in the modern world especially when their reasoning is hardware redundancy. You can have hardware redundancy with clustering and retain all of your resources. Seems like a no brainer to me.

        The goal of virtualization is abstraction.

        With that comes the ability to allocate resources in a way that is much more cost effective as well though correct?

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @wirestyle22
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          @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

          Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

          They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

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          • wirestyle22W
            wirestyle22 @Dashrender
            last edited by wirestyle22

            @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

            Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

            They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

            I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
              last edited by

              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              We are buying two servers and not clustering them so we essentially lose the resources of the second server as it's not being used for anything else.

              Why would you assume you need/want to cluster them? If you don't have licensing for that, that is yet another expense to make that work.

              Also, what Hypervisor are they looking at? Hyper-V would be free in this case, but if they are a VMWare shop, then clustering is even more expense.

              This is a 100% Hyper-V shop.

              Isn't one of the strenghts of virtualization that you can allocate resources in a way where wasted resources are at the very least greatly reduced? An almost completely wasted server is the opposite of what we are trying to do in the modern world especially when their reasoning is hardware redundancy. You can have hardware redundancy with clustering and retain all of your resources. Seems like a no brainer to me.

              The goal of virtualization is abstraction.

              With that comes the ability to allocate resources in a way that is much more cost effective as well though correct?

              In some cases, not in others.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

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                • wirestyle22W
                  wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                  Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                  They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                  I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                  That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

                  Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

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                  • dafyreD
                    dafyre @wirestyle22
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                    @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                    Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                    They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                    I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                    That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

                    Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

                    At this point he would be mentioning better practices to the people that make the decisions at a bare minimum.

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver @wirestyle22
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                      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                      Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                      They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                      I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                      That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

                      Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

                      You're injecting personal bias into a management decision. That's kind of the definition of overriding business practices.

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                      • hobbit666H
                        hobbit666
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                        Thinking "What the hell was I doing / about to do................"

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                        • wirestyle22W
                          wirestyle22 @coliver
                          last edited by wirestyle22

                          @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                          Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                          They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                          I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                          That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

                          Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

                          You're injecting personal bias into a management decision. That's kind of the definition of overriding business practices.

                          From my own knowledge base, which could be wrong (and if it is please tell me), what I would be suggesting would be a lot more in line with best practices wouldn't it? I guess what I'm asking is what is my responsibility in this situation? Am I doing what is best for the company by explaining this to them in a very respectful and patient manner or should I ignore it because I was not invited into the meeting? Is the social more important?

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                            JaredBusch
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                            • dafyreD
                              dafyre @coliver
                              last edited by

                              @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                              Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                              They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                              I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                              That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

                              Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

                              You're injecting personal bias into a management decision. That's kind of the definition of overriding business practices.

                              Injecting personal bias or suggesting things closer to industry best practices?

                              I could see Personal Bias if it was a Raid 6 vs Raid 10... But as has become the norm around here... If it's not SSDs, RAID 5 really is not a good suggestion any more.

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                              • wirestyle22W
                                wirestyle22 @dafyre
                                last edited by

                                @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                                Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                                They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                                I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                                That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

                                Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

                                You're injecting personal bias into a management decision. That's kind of the definition of overriding business practices.

                                Injecting personal bias or suggesting things closer to industry best practices?

                                I could see Personal Bias if it was a Raid 6 vs Raid 10... But as has become the norm around here... If it's not SSDs, RAID 5 really is not a good suggestion any more.

                                It's a bias for the more correct option, which everyone is biased (in favor of or against) when it comes to everything

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @coliver
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                                  @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                                  Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                                  They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                                  I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                                  That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

                                  Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

                                  You're injecting personal bias into a management decision. That's kind of the definition of overriding business practices.

                                  How is this a personal bias?

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @Dashrender The server is on it's way out anyway so it solves two problems but I'm really put out.

                                    Were you actually in that meeting, or did just you just happen to hear it as you walked by?

                                    My desk is directly next to their office so I hear everything

                                    Perhaps you should mention it to them... "By the way, I heard you talking about raid 5..." and then explain to them why it's a bad idea?

                                    Government, it being a bad idea was probably the point.

                                    If you know that to be the case, then fine - but damn that' horrible just to assume it to be the case.

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                                    • dafyreD
                                      dafyre @Dashrender
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                                      @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @Dashrender The server is on it's way out anyway so it solves two problems but I'm really put out.

                                      Were you actually in that meeting, or did just you just happen to hear it as you walked by?

                                      My desk is directly next to their office so I hear everything

                                      Perhaps you should mention it to them... "By the way, I heard you talking about raid 5..." and then explain to them why it's a bad idea?

                                      Government, it being a bad idea was probably the point.

                                      If you know that to be the case, then fine - but damn that' horrible just to assume it to be the case.

                                      @scottalanmiller just assumes that most IT people are idiots and goes straight to worst case, ha ha.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @dafyre
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                                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @Dashrender The server is on it's way out anyway so it solves two problems but I'm really put out.

                                        Were you actually in that meeting, or did just you just happen to hear it as you walked by?

                                        My desk is directly next to their office so I hear everything

                                        Perhaps you should mention it to them... "By the way, I heard you talking about raid 5..." and then explain to them why it's a bad idea?

                                        Government, it being a bad idea was probably the point.

                                        If you know that to be the case, then fine - but damn that' horrible just to assume it to be the case.

                                        @scottalanmiller just assumes that most IT people are idiots and goes straight to worst case, ha ha.

                                        Well in this case he tossed government into as well - and while sure, often the stories coming from governments is horrible, it's just bad to assume they will always be so.

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                                        • wirestyle22W
                                          wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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                                          @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @Dashrender The server is on it's way out anyway so it solves two problems but I'm really put out.

                                          Were you actually in that meeting, or did just you just happen to hear it as you walked by?

                                          My desk is directly next to their office so I hear everything

                                          Perhaps you should mention it to them... "By the way, I heard you talking about raid 5..." and then explain to them why it's a bad idea?

                                          Government, it being a bad idea was probably the point.

                                          If you know that to be the case, then fine - but damn that' horrible just to assume it to be the case.

                                          @scottalanmiller just assumes that most IT people are idiots and goes straight to worst case, ha ha.

                                          Well in this case he tossed government into as well - and while sure, often the stories coming from governments is horrible, it's just bad to assume they will always be so.

                                          I mean, he's insinuating it's intentional too. I have few resources today I guess because I'm more inclined to agree with him in this moment. It's a sad day.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                                            @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            Isn't one of the strenghts of virtualization that you can allocate resources in a way where wasted resources are at the very least greatly reduced?

                                            At a physical level, that's sometimes true. They used to say the same thing about operating systems, though. This can be a licensing nightmare though.

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