Virtualization build
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@Jason This would be at the federal level as two people from different nations are involved.
Not sure where you get that. You live in the state laws still apply. Just like when you buy stuff online you have to pay the taxes not collected by the merchant to your state at the end of the year.
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@Jason hahaha..
ok sure...
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
But @Danp I thought the dell systems had a hard time with the Samsung ssds..
Taxes are insane doing that. Easily 100% of the cost of the server. Plus the shipping isn't cheap, either. And you have to pay a customs proxy agent to do the work for you.
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@NashBrydges said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller I got a similar quote for same config minus the SSDs and only half the RAM at $2,500 CDN
But $2,500 CDN is like Monopoly money, so that's a good deal, right?
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@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization build:
@NashBrydges said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller I got a similar quote for same config minus the SSDs and only half the RAM at $2,500 CDN
But $2,500 CDN is like Monopoly money, so that's a good deal, right?
It would be $1897.46 US.
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
Doesn't work that way. Taxes are on the VALUE of the gear in CANADA. Has zero to do with the usage, price, intent, etc. You are not talking about a state tax agent here, you are talking about customs.
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@Danp said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
But @Danp I thought the dell systems had a hard time with the Samsung ssds..
Not sure. Was told that they would work fine, but would exhibit the known issue in OMSA.
Who told you? Was it someone that is going to warranty them in that scenario?
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@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use. These goods include souvenirs, gifts that you received from friends or relatives living outside Canada or prizes that you won."
Canada customs gives no f(***)s about gifts, only charging taxes on everything
https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/what-you-can-bring-home-to-canada#conditions
We have to pay taxes on servers that are just resting in Canada. Even if they are US origin and return to the US, you have to pay taxes to go into Canada. No exceptions.
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use. These goods include souvenirs, gifts that you received from friends or relatives living outside Canada or prizes that you won."
Canada customs gives no f(***)s about gifts, only charging taxes on everything
https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/what-you-can-bring-home-to-canada#conditions
And worst case, why not just have a receipt for $100 for computer equipment.
What's the tax on that?
Price isn't a factor.
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@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use. These goods include souvenirs, gifts that you received from friends or relatives living outside Canada or prizes that you won."
Canada customs gives no fucks about gifts, only charging taxes on everything
https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/what-you-can-bring-home-to-canada#conditions
And worst case, why not just have a receipt for $100 for computer equipment.
What's the tax on that?
You seem to be under the impression that customs agents are dumb. You would be incorrect in my experience.
Tax rate here is 13.5% so potentially saving $500 in tax is not worth the risk. They can seriously mess with you.
2630x1.25x1.135= $3731CDN.... sigh.
Edit: checked xe.com, it's $1.30:1 sobs quietly for the death of his online shopping fun times
YOu are assuming that the low price would be used. Those could easily be taxed based on a higher $5K or so US price.
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@Dashrender said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Shit, have it delivered to the US and drive here pick it up!
We do that. They still tax you. You just have to pray that they don't inspect your car because.... that's jail time.
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@Jason said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use. These goods include souvenirs, gifts that you received from friends or relatives living outside Canada or prizes that you won."
Canada customs gives no f(***)s about gifts, only charging taxes on everything
https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/what-you-can-bring-home-to-canada#conditions
Even in the US you pay gift taxes, they are actually higher near 50% tax rate, unless it is a gift to a spouse or political party.
Or from parents.
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@Jason said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use. These goods include souvenirs, gifts that you received from friends or relatives living outside Canada or prizes that you won."
Canada customs gives no f(***)s about gifts, only charging taxes on everything
https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/what-you-can-bring-home-to-canada#conditions
Even in the US you pay gift taxes, they are actually higher near 50% tax rate, unless it is a gift to a spouse or political party.
Yeah the gift tax doesn't start until a value close to 6 Million US. as of 2015.
So you'd be more than in the clear.
$13K in NY last I knew.
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US Gift taxes are paid by the donor not the donee.
The Federal annual exclusion for 2016 is $14,000.
It gets more complicated when the donee's state then marks it as income and taxes it as such, but generally most states match the gift exclusions to the federal amounts.
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@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization build:
@NashBrydges said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller I got a similar quote for same config minus the SSDs and only half the RAM at $2,500 CDN
But $2,500 CDN is like Monopoly money, so that's a good deal, right?
Yeah, no kidding. At today's exchange rates. Lol
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@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use. These goods include souvenirs, gifts that you received from friends or relatives living outside Canada or prizes that you won."
Canada customs gives no fucks about gifts, only charging taxes on everything
https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/what-you-can-bring-home-to-canada#conditions
And worst case, why not just have a receipt for $100 for computer equipment.
What's the tax on that?
You seem to be under the impression that customs agents are dumb. You would be incorrect in my experience.
Tax rate here is 13.5% so potentially saving $500 in tax is not worth the risk. They can seriously mess with you.
2630x1.25x1.135= $3731CDN.... sigh.
Edit: checked xe.com, it's $1.30:1 sobs quietly for the death of his online shopping fun times
YOu are assuming that the low price would be used. Those could easily be taxed based on a higher $5K or so US price.
For Ontario, Customs will charge me the HST (13%) of the Canadian value of the converted stated cost. So if the server is $2,500 USD, they will convert to CDN and then tag on 13% tax.
One thing I learned recently is that there are no duties to be paid on purchases that are coming in from the US like a used server. Buying new means that the country of original build will decide if there are duty fees to be paid in addition to taxes. Purchasing servers in the US means I only pay the taxes of the CDN declared value. That being said, shippers like FedEx will charge their own CLearance Entry fees and Advancement Fees so unless you have an account with the shippers, these tacked-on fees make it too expensive to buy from the US, even if you do find a crazy good deal.
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@NashBrydges said in Virtualization build:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use. These goods include souvenirs, gifts that you received from friends or relatives living outside Canada or prizes that you won."
Canada customs gives no fucks about gifts, only charging taxes on everything
https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/what-you-can-bring-home-to-canada#conditions
And worst case, why not just have a receipt for $100 for computer equipment.
What's the tax on that?
You seem to be under the impression that customs agents are dumb. You would be incorrect in my experience.
Tax rate here is 13.5% so potentially saving $500 in tax is not worth the risk. They can seriously mess with you.
2630x1.25x1.135= $3731CDN.... sigh.
Edit: checked xe.com, it's $1.30:1 sobs quietly for the death of his online shopping fun times
YOu are assuming that the low price would be used. Those could easily be taxed based on a higher $5K or so US price.
For Ontario, Customs will charge me the HST (13%) of the Canadian value of the converted stated cost. So if the server is $2,500 USD, they will convert to CDN and then tag on 13% tax.
That's if customs even agree that it is worth what you paid. Nothing says they can't say it's worth way more than that in Canada (and they would indeed be correct)
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@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@NashBrydges said in Virtualization build:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use. These goods include souvenirs, gifts that you received from friends or relatives living outside Canada or prizes that you won."
Canada customs gives no fucks about gifts, only charging taxes on everything
https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/what-you-can-bring-home-to-canada#conditions
And worst case, why not just have a receipt for $100 for computer equipment.
What's the tax on that?
You seem to be under the impression that customs agents are dumb. You would be incorrect in my experience.
Tax rate here is 13.5% so potentially saving $500 in tax is not worth the risk. They can seriously mess with you.
2630x1.25x1.135= $3731CDN.... sigh.
Edit: checked xe.com, it's $1.30:1 sobs quietly for the death of his online shopping fun times
YOu are assuming that the low price would be used. Those could easily be taxed based on a higher $5K or so US price.
For Ontario, Customs will charge me the HST (13%) of the Canadian value of the converted stated cost. So if the server is $2,500 USD, they will convert to CDN and then tag on 13% tax.
That's if customs even agree that it is worth what you paid. Nothing says they can't say it's worth way more than that in Canada (and they would indeed be correct)
The question I keep asking myself on this topic is why bother to declare anything? When you enter Canada (unless something has changed recently) they don't mandate a search of you car.
@MattSpeller are you Mexican looking, maybe that's why they also want to search your vehicle...
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And they certainly don't mandate a search of your car when coming back from Canada the last that I knew.
If there is nothing to declare, they can mind their own business.
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@NashBrydges said in Virtualization build:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization build:
@MattSpeller said in Virtualization build:
I fucking wish we could get pricing like that in Canada.
Have a buddy buy it for you and hand ship it up.
border agent: That's a nice server you got there.... be a shame if you had to... pay taxes on it! muahahahaha
Nothing to claim, a buddy gave me this equipment from his personal lab.
"In general, the goods you include in your personal exemption must be for your personal or household use. These goods include souvenirs, gifts that you received from friends or relatives living outside Canada or prizes that you won."
Canada customs gives no fucks about gifts, only charging taxes on everything
https://travel.gc.ca/returning/customs/what-you-can-bring-home-to-canada#conditions
And worst case, why not just have a receipt for $100 for computer equipment.
What's the tax on that?
You seem to be under the impression that customs agents are dumb. You would be incorrect in my experience.
Tax rate here is 13.5% so potentially saving $500 in tax is not worth the risk. They can seriously mess with you.
2630x1.25x1.135= $3731CDN.... sigh.
Edit: checked xe.com, it's $1.30:1 sobs quietly for the death of his online shopping fun times
YOu are assuming that the low price would be used. Those could easily be taxed based on a higher $5K or so US price.
For Ontario, Customs will charge me the HST (13%) of the Canadian value of the converted stated cost. So if the server is $2,500 USD, they will convert to CDN and then tag on 13% tax.
One thing I learned recently is that there are no duties to be paid on purchases that are coming in from the US like a used server. Buying new means that the country of original build will decide if there are duty fees to be paid in addition to taxes. Purchasing servers in the US means I only pay the taxes of the CDN declared value. That being said, shippers like FedEx will charge their own CLearance Entry fees and Advancement Fees so unless you have an account with the shippers, these tacked-on fees make it too expensive to buy from the US, even if you do find a crazy good deal.
Yeah, we've researched it a lot for clients in Canada and for our own Canadian facilities. We can get amazing colocation in Canada that is both cheap and SO close as NTG HQ is right on the border. But in the end, there is no winning that way and it just isn't worth it to cross the border.
The only thing that really works for Canadians is to buy and keep all servers in the US. Buy Dell via xByte and host in Colocation America and work that way. Almost no one needs on premises servers today, those that do AND want to be in Canada are just screwed.
