What Are You Doing Right Now
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Today has been...interesting.
How so? ... and Interesting good... or interesting Bad?
I've just been running around like a nut. It's been wild. Tomorrow I have to find every phone line in the entire place and check to see if all of the devices are capable of T.38 -- If so we are going to save a ton of money.
Saving a ton of money is nice... but isn't T.38 for faxing?
Faxing over voip. Yup.
No, Faxing over IP. FoIP. There is no voice when faxing.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Today has been...interesting.
How so? ... and Interesting good... or interesting Bad?
I've just been running around like a nut. It's been wild. Tomorrow I have to find every phone line in the entire place and check to see if all of the devices are capable of T.38 -- If so we are going to save a ton of money.
Saving a ton of money is nice... but isn't T.38 for faxing?
Faxing over voip. Yup.
No, Faxing over IP. FoIP. There is no voice when faxing.
That's what I meant. Sorry!
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Today has been...interesting.
How so? ... and Interesting good... or interesting Bad?
I've just been running around like a nut. It's been wild. Tomorrow I have to find every phone line in the entire place and check to see if all of the devices are capable of T.38 -- If so we are going to save a ton of money.
Saving a ton of money is nice... but isn't T.38 for faxing?
Faxing over voip. Yup.
No, Faxing over IP. FoIP. There is no voice when faxing.
That's what I meant. Sorry!
Good I thought you were going to replace all of the phones in the office with faxes and make everyone, fax EVERYTHING, forever and more.
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Is T.38 reliable?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Today has been...interesting.
How so? ... and Interesting good... or interesting Bad?
I've just been running around like a nut. It's been wild. Tomorrow I have to find every phone line in the entire place and check to see if all of the devices are capable of T.38 -- If so we are going to save a ton of money.
Saving a ton of money is nice... but isn't T.38 for faxing?
Faxing over voip. Yup.
No, Faxing over IP. FoIP. There is no voice when faxing.
That's what I meant. Sorry!
Good I thought you were going to replace all of the phones in the office with faxes and make everyone, fax EVERYTHING, forever and more.
FoVoIP would be someone mapping a fax onto graph paper then having two people call each other on VoIP and read graph paper coordinates manually to each other to say if that pixel was on or off. Would be a fun experiment.
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My morning ugh fax conversation went in the direct of T.38 and Xmedius. See what direction it really ends up
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Is T.38 reliable?
It's not horrible. Faxing is conceptually unreliable. T.38 is the most reliable means of doing faxing in the digital world. Since fax is an analogue process, there can never be a totally reliable digital replacement.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Is T.38 reliable?
It's not horrible. Faxing is conceptually unreliable. T.38 is the most reliable means of doing faxing in the digital world. Since fax is an analogue process, there can never be a totally reliable digital replacement.
That's what I was wondering. We do faxing over T.38 here via a fax server. Haven't had any issues but from everything I've read the success rate is ~95%.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Today has been...interesting.
How so? ... and Interesting good... or interesting Bad?
I've just been running around like a nut. It's been wild. Tomorrow I have to find every phone line in the entire place and check to see if all of the devices are capable of T.38 -- If so we are going to save a ton of money.
Saving a ton of money is nice... but isn't T.38 for faxing?
Faxing over voip. Yup.
No, Faxing over IP. FoIP. There is no voice when faxing.
That's what I meant. Sorry!
Good I thought you were going to replace all of the phones in the office with faxes and make everyone, fax EVERYTHING, forever and more.
FoVoIP would be someone mapping a fax onto graph paper then having two people call each other on VoIP and read graph paper coordinates manually to each other to say if that pixel was on or off. Would be a fun experiment.
I'll help! I'll play the part of the Fax machine with a noisy line, ha ha.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Is T.38 reliable?
It's not horrible. Faxing is conceptually unreliable. T.38 is the most reliable means of doing faxing in the digital world. Since fax is an analogue process, there can never be a totally reliable digital replacement.
That's what I was wondering. We do faxing over T.38 here via a fax server. Haven't had any issues but from everything I've read the success rate is ~95%.
I'd say the old style sending a fax over POTS has even less of a success rate. Personally I'm at about 50% just from switching around two numbers in the phone number to dial (that human factor is the crazy failure point!)
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@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Is T.38 reliable?
It's not horrible. Faxing is conceptually unreliable. T.38 is the most reliable means of doing faxing in the digital world. Since fax is an analogue process, there can never be a totally reliable digital replacement.
That's what I was wondering. We do faxing over T.38 here via a fax server. Haven't had any issues but from everything I've read the success rate is ~95%.
I'd say the old style sending a fax over POTS has even less of a success rate. Personally I'm at about 50% just from switching around two numbers in the phone number to dial (that human factor is the crazy failure point!)
It's true, old fax machines working "as intended" were not very reliable.
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@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Is T.38 reliable?
It's not horrible. Faxing is conceptually unreliable. T.38 is the most reliable means of doing faxing in the digital world. Since fax is an analogue process, there can never be a totally reliable digital replacement.
That's what I was wondering. We do faxing over T.38 here via a fax server. Haven't had any issues but from everything I've read the success rate is ~95%.
I'd say the old style sending a fax over POTS has even less of a success rate. Personally I'm at about 50% just from switching around two numbers in the phone number to dial (that human factor is the crazy failure point!)
In my last position a few users would send a fax to the wrong number at least 50% of the time. So I can see where the human factor comes into play.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@MattSpeller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If performance is your guide, KVM has the best Windows performance. And Xen has the best Linux performance.
If ease of use is your guide, many of us find XenServer to be the easiest to learn (after VMware which is mostly only easy by not having any features.) Hyper-V is confusing enough that many people can get XS installed and working before they can even figure out what Hyper-V is
But people used to the MS ecosystem thoroughly sometimes find it easier to use because they are already using many of the Windows remote management tools, but tons of Windows Admins don't do that making Hyper-V rather confusing again.If features is your guide, XenServer and Hyper-V top the list for sure. Massive feature sets, all for free. KVM comes it right behind them. VMware isn't in the game there, unless you have insanely deep pockets.
I'm only exposed to a certain percentage of the overall posts. I guess I just saw a lot of love for Hyper-V /shrug
Guess I'm installing XenServer
I don't know if anyone that uses hyper-v here LOVES it - it's just not terrible. It's vanilla ice cream. The Ford Crown Victoria of automobiles.
It's actually pretty good. Lots of usable features and a decent interface if you're a Windows Admin. A solid choice and very close second place behind Xen/XenServer. With every iteration Powershell is becoming more and more usable.
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@MattSpeller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If performance is your guide, KVM has the best Windows performance. And Xen has the best Linux performance.
If ease of use is your guide, many of us find XenServer to be the easiest to learn (after VMware which is mostly only easy by not having any features.) Hyper-V is confusing enough that many people can get XS installed and working before they can even figure out what Hyper-V is
But people used to the MS ecosystem thoroughly sometimes find it easier to use because they are already using many of the Windows remote management tools, but tons of Windows Admins don't do that making Hyper-V rather confusing again.If features is your guide, XenServer and Hyper-V top the list for sure. Massive feature sets, all for free. KVM comes it right behind them. VMware isn't in the game there, unless you have insanely deep pockets.
I'm only exposed to a certain percentage of the overall posts. I guess I just saw a lot of love for Hyper-V /shrug
Guess I'm installing XenServer
I don't know if anyone that uses hyper-v here LOVES it - it's just not terrible. It's vanilla ice cream. The Ford Crown Victoria of automobiles.
It's actually pretty good. Lots of usable features and a decent interface if you're a Windows Admin. A solid choice and very close second place behind Xen/XenServer. With every iteration Powershell is becoming more and more usable.
If you consider PS for administration as making Hyper-V usable, XenServer benefits from both BASH/SSH options and the XAPI API.
Agreed, but just because BASH and SSH are fantastic doesn't mean Powershell is awful the two aren't mutually exclusive. I was pointing out how Powershell is now becoming much more usable with every update then it was in the 2008 era.
No, but with BASH/SSH being easier, faster and more manageable than PS (debatable) it has an advantage there alone. With cross platform support (important for a platform) it gains a big one. And then XAPI takes it to another level entirely.
I was recommended Fish or ZSH by a friend. Opinions?
Well you know my opinion...
https://mangolassi.it/topic/8013/system-administration-on-using-bash-vi-and-no-aliases
@wirestyle22 : ZSH is great and I heard good things about Fish. But SAM mentioned quite a few good points in the thread he just linked. The problem basically is: You don't have your fancy shell at hand when you need it. Better use the default shells.
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What if I just learned Python? From what I have read it's used heavily.
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What if I just learned Python? From what I have read it's used heavily.
What if you learned Python instead of the system shell? How do you intend to use it. Using a Python REPL for system tasks would be right on the verge of impossible.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What if I just learned Python? From what I have read it's used heavily.
What if you learned Python instead of the system shell? How do you intend to use it. Using a Python REPL for system tasks would be right on the verge of impossible.
I mean to script/collect arguments/chain/run etc
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What if I just learned Python? From what I have read it's used heavily.
What if you learned Python instead of the system shell? How do you intend to use it. Using a Python REPL for system tasks would be right on the verge of impossible.
I mean to script/collect arguments/chain/run etc
You don't learn Python INSTEAD of BASH, you learn it in ADDITION to BASH. You use BASH every moment of every day when working on Linux. You don't want to run every one liner in one language that is always there then jump to another language that is rarely there for every other task. Python is a good language and used a lot in administration but it's not a tool that you will usually have at your disposal (most of my boxes don't even have it) and it is a lot of work to leap to a different language for every little task. Scripting your command interface is something you might do every ten lines or so. Going into Python to do that would be very fatiguing and inefficient.
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What if I just learned Python? From what I have read it's used heavily.
What if you learned Python instead of the system shell? How do you intend to use it. Using a Python REPL for system tasks would be right on the verge of impossible.
I mean to script/collect arguments/chain/run etc
BASH is so easy to script though. I've dabbled in Perl a bit for scripting admin tasks but for the most part it's just easier to do in BASH.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What if I just learned Python? From what I have read it's used heavily.
What if you learned Python instead of the system shell? How do you intend to use it. Using a Python REPL for system tasks would be right on the verge of impossible.
I mean to script/collect arguments/chain/run etc
BASH is so easy to script though. I've dabbled in Perl a bit for scripting admin tasks but for the most part it's just easier to do in BASH.
Alright. Bash it is then. Thanks guys.
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@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What if I just learned Python? From what I have read it's used heavily.
What if you learned Python instead of the system shell? How do you intend to use it. Using a Python REPL for system tasks would be right on the verge of impossible.
I mean to script/collect arguments/chain/run etc
BASH is so easy to script though. I've dabbled in Perl a bit for scripting admin tasks but for the most part it's just easier to do in BASH.
Alright. Bash it is then. Thanks guys.
Once you learn Bash, you'll also learn to appreciate it's offspring like zsh. I recently installed zsh on the little Raspberry Pi project, which I may have finished today, along with everything else.
