Hours I work/PTO
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@MattSpeller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@BBigford That's crazy, I can't relate to that at all.
Haha if people thought that the housing market is what bled the economy with foreclosures, it is nothing compared to pharmaceuticals and expensive health care that has staff stretched too thin with mediocre coverage. I got pneumonia in the winter and my 2 inhalers were $320... with insurance! I went with the company that had the best insurance available to me.
This has been a bad year for getting sick. This entire region has been hit with this weird mix of things. It has started out as influenza, which lowers your bodies ability to fight off other things, then a bacterial infection starting in your sinus' because your body can't fight it off. Then at night a post-nasal drip sends it down into your throat and lungs, which turns into an upper respiratory infection. 3 doctors refused to give me any kind of antibiotic because tests came back negative, until they said they tested for the wrong thing about 2 months into it. TWO MONTHS! Then I got inhalers because "antibiotics would be useless at this point". Afterward I tested positive for all sorts of things as well as dozens of other people that week I guess, once they got the right tests administered. Don't get any medicine? Yeah that crap in your lungs eventually turns into pneumonia. Oh, did I mention the cough is so bad you might end up cracking two ribs? That happened as well. I didn't realize how common it is until after the x-rays.
Yeah... top notch health care even if you are paying a fortune. /sarcasm
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!
I never had PTO until my current job even as full time. No unpaid time off either at the full time ones. part time of course had unpaid time off
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.
Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).
Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.
My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).
...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.
Sounds like you just need a new employer. But, the flexibility for your classes might not exist, so perhaps you're stuck. It sounds like they are paying you a good wage though, at least you seem to think it's good.
As for your condition where you refuse to allow you to work 40 hours (30 is actually considered full time in many states and assuming they provide benefits like paid vacation time and health insurance, you would be entitled to that - personally I'd visit your city's business affairs office (or whatever it's called) and ask what the city/state requirements for employers is. And if you want to push it... inform the state and watch how things change. though the company sounds so horrible, it's just as likely that they will reduce your hours further to get you under the requirements. But your sacrifice would be good for the other employees.
Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?
Oh, it's not about having a 30 hour work week, it's simply a definition of what qualifies as full time to get full benefits. If you work 30+ hours in a week, in Nebraska you are considered full time, and as such you must get all the same benefits as someone working 40 hrs/wk. The idea, I think, is to prevent employers from hiring someone, only allowing them to work say 32 hours a week and then not having to give them full time employee benefits.
Ah, okay. NY might be like that. But 32 hours is what sticks in my head.
32 hours is the threshold for benefits and insurance as a full time worker in NY. Which is why a lot of companies, around here, manage hours to prevent people from being able to work more then 30 hours a week.
Yeah, I kind of disagree with the law because it simply makes the poor get fewer hours rather than making them get benefits.
I don't understand what you are saying here.
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@BBigford said in Hours I work/PTO:
@MattSpeller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@BBigford said in Hours I work/PTO:
Lol thanks for the laugh. It made me feel worse, but at least I got a good laugh out of it.
You'd be welcome up here in America's hat my friend. 37.5h/week, mediocre healthcare that you don't have to pay for directly....
I was disputing a measly $100 to the insurance company. The response "Well I see we've paid for quite a few bills over the last 4 months totally around $800, so you have that to be thankful for right?"
My reponse: "I paid you $840 in the last 3 months so you should be footing the bill when I get horribly sick. I pay a co-pay on top as well!"
Her response: "Oh, actually I do see you have gold coverage..."
The dispute? They only cover you if you get diagnosed. If you have abdominal pain and the doc say "I don't know... I can't diagnose you if I don't know. I can refer you though..." Which means you have to pay full, out of pocket for that visit with this major insurance company if you don't get diagnosed. I said that was BS, the insurance company agreed, but wouldn't help.
What insurance company is that? I want to make sure I don't work for someone who uses them.
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.
Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).
Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.
My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).
...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.
Sounds like you just need a new employer. But, the flexibility for your classes might not exist, so perhaps you're stuck. It sounds like they are paying you a good wage though, at least you seem to think it's good.
As for your condition where you refuse to allow you to work 40 hours (30 is actually considered full time in many states and assuming they provide benefits like paid vacation time and health insurance, you would be entitled to that - personally I'd visit your city's business affairs office (or whatever it's called) and ask what the city/state requirements for employers is. And if you want to push it... inform the state and watch how things change. though the company sounds so horrible, it's just as likely that they will reduce your hours further to get you under the requirements. But your sacrifice would be good for the other employees.
Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?
Oh, it's not about having a 30 hour work week, it's simply a definition of what qualifies as full time to get full benefits. If you work 30+ hours in a week, in Nebraska you are considered full time, and as such you must get all the same benefits as someone working 40 hrs/wk. The idea, I think, is to prevent employers from hiring someone, only allowing them to work say 32 hours a week and then not having to give them full time employee benefits.
Ah, okay. NY might be like that. But 32 hours is what sticks in my head.
32 hours is the threshold for benefits and insurance as a full time worker in NY. Which is why a lot of companies, around here, manage hours to prevent people from being able to work more then 30 hours a week.
Yeah, I kind of disagree with the law because it simply makes the poor get fewer hours rather than making them get benefits.
I don't understand what you are saying here.
Ah, sorry. I'm saying that I'm not fully in support of a law that puts a number like 32 hours and makes people above it get benefits and people below it "not matter." All it does is create a handy system for making the poor even poorer.
Oh, you can't pay your bills because you only can get 31 hours a week from a single job because no one wants to call you full time? Ha. Now we will rub salt in the wound by not providing you with all of the benefits that full time people get.
They are getting double punished.
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!
I never had PTO until my current job even as full time. No unpaid time off either at the full time ones. part time of course had unpaid time off
Wow... again, where were these places so we can boycott them?
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@scottalanmiller said
Ah, sorry. I'm saying that I'm not fully in support of a law that puts a number like 32 hours and makes people above it get benefits and people below it "not matter." All it does is create a handy system for making the poor even poorer.
Oh, you can't pay your bills because you only can get 31 hours a week from a single job because no one wants to call you full time? Ha. Now we will rub salt in the wound by not providing you with all of the benefits that full time people get.
They are getting double punished.
When they make laws like that, a lot of people get their hours cut to be below that amount.
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@BRRABill said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said
Ah, sorry. I'm saying that I'm not fully in support of a law that puts a number like 32 hours and makes people above it get benefits and people below it "not matter." All it does is create a handy system for making the poor even poorer.
Oh, you can't pay your bills because you only can get 31 hours a week from a single job because no one wants to call you full time? Ha. Now we will rub salt in the wound by not providing you with all of the benefits that full time people get.
They are getting double punished.
When they make laws like that, a lot of people get their hours cut to be below that amount.
If they weren't paying it to them before, why would they suddenly feel the need to now? That said, many jobs aren't meant to be full time jobs. Do you really consider McDonalds for anything other than the manger to be a full time job? Of course lack of jobs has turned those types of jobs into full time jobs... but that's another story.
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!
I never had PTO until my current job even as full time. No unpaid time off either at the full time ones. part time of course had unpaid time off
Wow... again, where were these places so we can boycott them?
You going to boycott local government and the US government?
Luckily I work for a great Fortune 100 now, I can work from home when I want (which I rarely do) we go to any doctors appts, eye exams, etc while being paid etc. (Healthly employees are happy good working employees)
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!
I never had PTO until my current job even as full time. No unpaid time off either at the full time ones. part time of course had unpaid time off
Wow... again, where were these places so we can boycott them?
You going to boycott local government and the US government?
I do, daily
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
You going to boycott local government and the US government?
FOr employment? I always have.
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!
I never had PTO until my current job even as full time. No unpaid time off either at the full time ones. part time of course had unpaid time off
Wow... again, where were these places so we can boycott them?
You going to boycott local government and the US government?
Luckily I work for a great Fortune 100 now, I can work from home when I want (which I rarely do) we go to any doctors appts, eye exams, etc while being paid etc. (Healthly employees are happy good working employees)
Who do you work for?
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@BBigford said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!
I never had PTO until my current job even as full time. No unpaid time off either at the full time ones. part time of course had unpaid time off
Wow... again, where were these places so we can boycott them?
You going to boycott local government and the US government?
Luckily I work for a great Fortune 100 now, I can work from home when I want (which I rarely do) we go to any doctors appts, eye exams, etc while being paid etc. (Healthly employees are happy good working employees)
Who do you work for?
I don't post that online, when you work for large companies that's a good way to get fired.. Sales people like stalking you and will do anything to get sales... Including blackmail and false information
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@BBigford said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!
I never had PTO until my current job even as full time. No unpaid time off either at the full time ones. part time of course had unpaid time off
Wow... again, where were these places so we can boycott them?
You going to boycott local government and the US government?
Luckily I work for a great Fortune 100 now, I can work from home when I want (which I rarely do) we go to any doctors appts, eye exams, etc while being paid etc. (Healthly employees are happy good working employees)
Who do you work for?
I don't post that online, when you work for large companies that's a good way to get fired.. Sales people like stalking you and will do anything to get sales... Including blackmail and false information
Yeah, I was never able to post where I worked for a decade on Wall St. It was easy to guess, and the company couldn't care less it people guessed. They cared that the words did not appear with my name somewhere because that would make things appear as if they were endorsing stuff or whatever.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.
Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).
Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.
My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).
...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.
Sounds like you just need a new employer. But, the flexibility for your classes might not exist, so perhaps you're stuck. It sounds like they are paying you a good wage though, at least you seem to think it's good.
As for your condition where you refuse to allow you to work 40 hours (30 is actually considered full time in many states and assuming they provide benefits like paid vacation time and health insurance, you would be entitled to that - personally I'd visit your city's business affairs office (or whatever it's called) and ask what the city/state requirements for employers is. And if you want to push it... inform the state and watch how things change. though the company sounds so horrible, it's just as likely that they will reduce your hours further to get you under the requirements. But your sacrifice would be good for the other employees.
Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?
Oh, it's not about having a 30 hour work week, it's simply a definition of what qualifies as full time to get full benefits. If you work 30+ hours in a week, in Nebraska you are considered full time, and as such you must get all the same benefits as someone working 40 hrs/wk. The idea, I think, is to prevent employers from hiring someone, only allowing them to work say 32 hours a week and then not having to give them full time employee benefits.
Ah, okay. NY might be like that. But 32 hours is what sticks in my head.
32 hours is the threshold for benefits and insurance as a full time worker in NY. Which is why a lot of companies, around here, manage hours to prevent people from being able to work more then 30 hours a week.
Yeah, I kind of disagree with the law because it simply makes the poor get fewer hours rather than making them get benefits.
Agreed... most benefits should be universal. Especially things like healthcare, and some form of PTO.
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@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.
Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).
Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.
My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).
...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.
Sounds like you just need a new employer. But, the flexibility for your classes might not exist, so perhaps you're stuck. It sounds like they are paying you a good wage though, at least you seem to think it's good.
As for your condition where you refuse to allow you to work 40 hours (30 is actually considered full time in many states and assuming they provide benefits like paid vacation time and health insurance, you would be entitled to that - personally I'd visit your city's business affairs office (or whatever it's called) and ask what the city/state requirements for employers is. And if you want to push it... inform the state and watch how things change. though the company sounds so horrible, it's just as likely that they will reduce your hours further to get you under the requirements. But your sacrifice would be good for the other employees.
Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?
Oh, it's not about having a 30 hour work week, it's simply a definition of what qualifies as full time to get full benefits. If you work 30+ hours in a week, in Nebraska you are considered full time, and as such you must get all the same benefits as someone working 40 hrs/wk. The idea, I think, is to prevent employers from hiring someone, only allowing them to work say 32 hours a week and then not having to give them full time employee benefits.
Ah, okay. NY might be like that. But 32 hours is what sticks in my head.
32 hours is the threshold for benefits and insurance as a full time worker in NY. Which is why a lot of companies, around here, manage hours to prevent people from being able to work more then 30 hours a week.
Yeah, I kind of disagree with the law because it simply makes the poor get fewer hours rather than making them get benefits.
Agreed... most benefits should be universal. Especially things like healthcare, and some form of PTO.
And retirement. I believe Internet should be free, too. At least basic, maybe not enough to get movies but certainly enough to have email, VoIP and to get to web sites. It's a critical part of access to education and information.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.
Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).
Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.
My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).
...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.
Sounds like you just need a new employer. But, the flexibility for your classes might not exist, so perhaps you're stuck. It sounds like they are paying you a good wage though, at least you seem to think it's good.
As for your condition where you refuse to allow you to work 40 hours (30 is actually considered full time in many states and assuming they provide benefits like paid vacation time and health insurance, you would be entitled to that - personally I'd visit your city's business affairs office (or whatever it's called) and ask what the city/state requirements for employers is. And if you want to push it... inform the state and watch how things change. though the company sounds so horrible, it's just as likely that they will reduce your hours further to get you under the requirements. But your sacrifice would be good for the other employees.
Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?
Oh, it's not about having a 30 hour work week, it's simply a definition of what qualifies as full time to get full benefits. If you work 30+ hours in a week, in Nebraska you are considered full time, and as such you must get all the same benefits as someone working 40 hrs/wk. The idea, I think, is to prevent employers from hiring someone, only allowing them to work say 32 hours a week and then not having to give them full time employee benefits.
Ah, okay. NY might be like that. But 32 hours is what sticks in my head.
32 hours is the threshold for benefits and insurance as a full time worker in NY. Which is why a lot of companies, around here, manage hours to prevent people from being able to work more then 30 hours a week.
Yeah, I kind of disagree with the law because it simply makes the poor get fewer hours rather than making them get benefits.
Agreed... most benefits should be universal. Especially things like healthcare, and some form of PTO.
And retirement. I believe Internet should be free, too. At least basic, maybe not enough to get movies but certainly enough to have email, VoIP and to get to web sites. It's a critical part of access to education and information.
It's not the governments responsibility to cover internet, get your retirement plans in order. Don't expect someone else to pay YOUR bills. Internet is in no way needed or required.
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Actually I'm in agreement with Scott on this about internet. I consider internet access more critical to today's world than healthcare. City municipal provided base level (as Scott said, not good enough for movies, but email/VOIP/general web surfing) I think should be a provided service today.
As for retirement, the problem I have with this is retirement has different expenses depending on the individual, and what about when retirees can't take care of themselves anymore, we foot that bill too?
I don't have children, and don't plan to, I won't have family to take care of me (or my wife) when we reach that stage.
If you're going to go as far as retirement, then you have to go all the way and start building tons of retirement towers to put those retirees.
No, sorry I don't agree on the retirement part.
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@coliver said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
@Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:
Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.
Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).
Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.
My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).
...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.
Sounds like you just need a new employer. But, the flexibility for your classes might not exist, so perhaps you're stuck. It sounds like they are paying you a good wage though, at least you seem to think it's good.
As for your condition where you refuse to allow you to work 40 hours (30 is actually considered full time in many states and assuming they provide benefits like paid vacation time and health insurance, you would be entitled to that - personally I'd visit your city's business affairs office (or whatever it's called) and ask what the city/state requirements for employers is. And if you want to push it... inform the state and watch how things change. though the company sounds so horrible, it's just as likely that they will reduce your hours further to get you under the requirements. But your sacrifice would be good for the other employees.
Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?
Oh, it's not about having a 30 hour work week, it's simply a definition of what qualifies as full time to get full benefits. If you work 30+ hours in a week, in Nebraska you are considered full time, and as such you must get all the same benefits as someone working 40 hrs/wk. The idea, I think, is to prevent employers from hiring someone, only allowing them to work say 32 hours a week and then not having to give them full time employee benefits.
Ah, okay. NY might be like that. But 32 hours is what sticks in my head.
32 hours is the threshold for benefits and insurance as a full time worker in NY. Which is why a lot of companies, around here, manage hours to prevent people from being able to work more then 30 hours a week.
Yeah, I kind of disagree with the law because it simply makes the poor get fewer hours rather than making them get benefits.
Agreed... most benefits should be universal. Especially things like healthcare, and some form of PTO.
And retirement. I believe Internet should be free, too. At least basic, maybe not enough to get movies but certainly enough to have email, VoIP and to get to web sites. It's a critical part of access to education and information.
It's not the governments responsibility to cover internet, get your retirement plans in order. Don't expect someone else to pay YOUR bills. Internet is in no way needed or required.
Who said responsibility? I'm just saying that it's an opportunity. An opportunity to level the playing field, lower cost and increase quality. Everyone wins. Every individual wins, the government wins. It's the governments' job to do what's best for the country, right? So, really, it is their responsibility, right?
If you don't think there should be Internet, what about elementary school? Which is more important... access to basic literacy tools or school? We pay a fortune for kids to have access to terrible schools, why not pay a tiny bit to ensure that everyone has the things that democracy requires?
