SMB NAS
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@Brett-at-ioSafe said in SMB NAS:
You may like to check out our fire- and waterproof Synology-based NAS too. Depending on your needs, they could either be a good fit or overkill. Link
Good call, I've been looking at them.
Our rep is trying to get us into a LaCie, but I've used them before and they are nothing to write home about. It does have Thunderbolt 2 which would be nice, and it has 6TB (3TB usable) in RAID 1, for $550 so the price is right... Can't find any specs on the CPU or RAM so they're probably low. For about the same price I could buy a Synology with no Thunderbolt interface, a quadcore CPU, and 2GB of RAM with my choice of drives (probably WD Red Pro) for about $650. Arguably a better NAS all around...
But an ioSafe would be nice, because this is for a small group in the same building, and the NAS would be in the same building... So if the building burned down... Yes, I know I'm breaking the rules by having everything under one roof.
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@wirestyle22 said
Is there a reason you have to buy a commercial NAS? Why not make your own? The only thing I can think of is power consumption.
What is the NAS DU JOUR these days?
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Yes, I know I'm breaking the rules by having everything under one roof.
You could set it to back up to Glacier - there's an app for that! - or even sync the important stuff with Dropbox/Google Drive/OneDrive. This way, you'd have the benefits of offsite plus the RTO/RPO benefits of local). And, depending on how much data you have, it'd likely be a reasonably cheap combo.
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@BRRABill said
What is the NAS DU JOUR these days?
As usual, it might not make sense what I was asking.
I was asking in relation to the comment from @wirestyle22 to roll your own NAS.
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@BRRABill said
What is the NAS DU JOUR these days?
As usual, it might not make sense what I was asking.
I was asking in relation to the comment from @wirestyle22 to roll your own NAS.
With the Mini & the NAS I'm quoting (I did a LaCie 2big, then also a Synology which is arguably way better in many areas with WD Red Pro drives), coming out to about $2k when it's all said and done. I can already tell this is going to end up just being a "eh, we already have direct attached drives. Let's just get nothing instead."
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What's the push for a NAS?
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What's the push for a NAS?
Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored for better redundancy rather than just waiting for the onboard storage of the Mini failing and taking 50% of all the backups with it. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...
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What's the push for a NAS?
Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...
What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?
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What's the push for a NAS?
Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...
What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?
AFP I think but I'll have to double check.
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What's the push for a NAS?
Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...
What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?
Looks like Wiki does say AFP.
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#NeverQNAP. Can this be a thing? I'm making it a thing.
I haven't used QNAP in a while, but I still see them get great ratings. I just stopped using them because they had worse performance on paper and cost more than, say, Synology.
Great ratings from consumers and people who don't enact their SLA. The two week SLA means that no one in a serious business is using them in a serious role... so you have to understand the context of the ratings. Ratings don't tell you very much if you don't know if the ratings are comparative or not.
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What's the push for a NAS?
Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...
What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?
Looks like Wiki does say AFP.
AFP is what I have heard even though Mac is now SMB as a standard protocol.
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What's the push for a NAS?
Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...
What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?
Apple does not use NFS for anything. No one knows why.
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@wirestyle22 said
Is there a reason you have to buy a commercial NAS? Why not make your own? The only thing I can think of is power consumption.
What is the NAS DU JOUR these days?
The Synology family, which includes ioSafe. ReadyNAS would be the close second. Really, no one but those two has been in competition for a good long time.
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Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
#NeverQNAP. Can this be a thing? I'm making it a thing.
I haven't used QNAP in a while, but I still see them get great ratings. I just stopped using them because they had worse performance on paper and cost more than, say, Synology.
Great ratings from consumers and people who don't enact their SLA. The two week SLA means that no one in a serious business is using them in a serious role... so you have to understand the context of the ratings. Ratings don't tell you very much if you don't know if the ratings are comparative or not.
I was only using the ratings as a reflection of the product itself, not the turn around or customer service. I've had zero interaction with QNAP since I've never had to send one back. If something as small as a 2-bay unit failed, I wouldn't expect much since it is not something that has an agreement for overnight or something. That would exceed the cost of the unit by far I would think..
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@scottalanmiller said
The Synology family, which includes ioSafe. ReadyNAS would be the close second. Really, no one but those two has been in competition for a good long time.
I mean the DIYer, but I did a little research, and then went to watch Jurassic Park, hint hint.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
#NeverQNAP. Can this be a thing? I'm making it a thing.
I haven't used QNAP in a while, but I still see them get great ratings. I just stopped using them because they had worse performance on paper and cost more than, say, Synology.
Great ratings from consumers and people who don't enact their SLA. The two week SLA means that no one in a serious business is using them in a serious role... so you have to understand the context of the ratings. Ratings don't tell you very much if you don't know if the ratings are comparative or not.
I was only using the ratings as a reflection of the product itself, not the turn around or customer service. I've had zero interaction with QNAP since I've never had to send one back. If something as small as a 2-bay unit failed, I wouldn't expect much since it is not something that has an agreement for overnight or something. That would exceed the cost of the unit by far I would think..
The reason it's not considered a business product, though, is because it is effectively unsupported. Even their big rack mount units costing quite a bit of money have a two week, 100% data loss SLA and no engineering looking at things like hardware compatibility. Not serious gear.
The people reviewing and rating it are mostly home users. So their insight tends to be myopic. They are rarely comparing it to what else is out there, just comparing it to what they know, which is generally very little. So you get really skewed info.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
Again... don't even look at consumer gear. It will all end in tears.
