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    • wirestyle22W
      wirestyle22
      last edited by wirestyle22

      Is there a reason you have to buy a commercial NAS? Why not make your own? The only thing I can think of is power consumption.

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      • RojoLocoR
        RojoLoco
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        Definitely don't go with any WD NAS. We have a Sentinel DX4000 here, and it is SSSLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWWW.

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        • bbigfordB
          bbigford @RojoLoco
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          @RojoLoco said in SMB NAS:

          Definitely don't go with any WD NAS. We have a Sentinel DX4000 here, and it is SSSLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWWW.

          Yeah I told our rep we won't be going with a WD NAS. I love their drives, but their enclosures are not very good.

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          • coliverC
            coliver
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            The sister company at the last place I worked swore by MyBook Worlds... sure it took all day to backup a few hundred gigs of data. But they lasted forever and were inexpensive. The tech wanted us to do the same thing but we had 3x the amount of data.

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            • bbigfordB
              bbigford @Brett at ioSafe
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              @Brett-at-ioSafe said in SMB NAS:

              You may like to check out our fire- and waterproof Synology-based NAS too. Depending on your needs, they could either be a good fit or overkill. Link

              Good call, I've been looking at them. 🙂

              Our rep is trying to get us into a LaCie, but I've used them before and they are nothing to write home about. It does have Thunderbolt 2 which would be nice, and it has 6TB (3TB usable) in RAID 1, for $550 so the price is right... Can't find any specs on the CPU or RAM so they're probably low. For about the same price I could buy a Synology with no Thunderbolt interface, a quadcore CPU, and 2GB of RAM with my choice of drives (probably WD Red Pro) for about $650. Arguably a better NAS all around...

              But an ioSafe would be nice, because this is for a small group in the same building, and the NAS would be in the same building... So if the building burned down... Yes, I know I'm breaking the rules by having everything under one roof. 😐

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              • BRRABillB
                BRRABill @wirestyle22
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                @wirestyle22 said

                Is there a reason you have to buy a commercial NAS? Why not make your own? The only thing I can think of is power consumption.

                What is the NAS DU JOUR these days?

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                  Brett at ioSafe Vendor @bbigford
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                  @BBigford said in SMB NAS:

                  Yes, I know I'm breaking the rules by having everything under one roof. 😐

                  You could set it to back up to Glacier - there's an app for that! - or even sync the important stuff with Dropbox/Google Drive/OneDrive. This way, you'd have the benefits of offsite plus the RTO/RPO benefits of local). And, depending on how much data you have, it'd likely be a reasonably cheap combo.

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                  • BRRABillB
                    BRRABill @BRRABill
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                    @BRRABill said

                    What is the NAS DU JOUR these days?

                    As usual, it might not make sense what I was asking.

                    I was asking in relation to the comment from @wirestyle22 to roll your own NAS.

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                    • bbigfordB
                      bbigford @BRRABill
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                      @BRRABill said in SMB NAS:

                      @BRRABill said

                      What is the NAS DU JOUR these days?

                      As usual, it might not make sense what I was asking.

                      I was asking in relation to the comment from @wirestyle22 to roll your own NAS.

                      With the Mini & the NAS I'm quoting (I did a LaCie 2big, then also a Synology which is arguably way better in many areas with WD Red Pro drives), coming out to about $2k when it's all said and done. I can already tell this is going to end up just being a "eh, we already have direct attached drives. Let's just get nothing instead."

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                      • coliverC
                        coliver
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                        What's the push for a NAS?

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                        • bbigfordB
                          bbigford @coliver
                          last edited by bbigford

                          @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                          What's the push for a NAS?

                          Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored for better redundancy rather than just waiting for the onboard storage of the Mini failing and taking 50% of all the backups with it. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...

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                          • coliverC
                            coliver @bbigford
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                            @BBigford said in SMB NAS:

                            @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                            What's the push for a NAS?

                            Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...

                            What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?

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                            • bbigfordB
                              bbigford @coliver
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                              @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                              @BBigford said in SMB NAS:

                              @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                              What's the push for a NAS?

                              Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...

                              What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?

                              AFP I think but I'll have to double check.

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                              • bbigfordB
                                bbigford @coliver
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                                @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                                @BBigford said in SMB NAS:

                                @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                                What's the push for a NAS?

                                Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...

                                What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?

                                Looks like Wiki does say AFP.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @bbigford
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                                  @BBigford said in SMB NAS:

                                  @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                                  #NeverQNAP. Can this be a thing? I'm making it a thing.

                                  I haven't used QNAP in a while, but I still see them get great ratings. I just stopped using them because they had worse performance on paper and cost more than, say, Synology.

                                  Great ratings from consumers and people who don't enact their SLA. The two week SLA means that no one in a serious business is using them in a serious role... so you have to understand the context of the ratings. Ratings don't tell you very much if you don't know if the ratings are comparative or not.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @bbigford
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                                    @BBigford said in SMB NAS:

                                    @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                                    @BBigford said in SMB NAS:

                                    @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                                    What's the push for a NAS?

                                    Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...

                                    What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?

                                    Looks like Wiki does say AFP.

                                    AFP is what I have heard even though Mac is now SMB as a standard protocol.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @coliver
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                                      @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                                      @BBigford said in SMB NAS:

                                      @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                                      What's the push for a NAS?

                                      Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...

                                      What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?

                                      Apple does not use NFS for anything. No one knows why.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                        @BRRABill said in SMB NAS:

                                        @wirestyle22 said

                                        Is there a reason you have to buy a commercial NAS? Why not make your own? The only thing I can think of is power consumption.

                                        What is the NAS DU JOUR these days?

                                        The Synology family, which includes ioSafe. ReadyNAS would be the close second. Really, no one but those two has been in competition for a good long time.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."

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                                          • bbigfordB
                                            bbigford @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:

                                            @BBigford said in SMB NAS:

                                            @coliver said in SMB NAS:

                                            #NeverQNAP. Can this be a thing? I'm making it a thing.

                                            I haven't used QNAP in a while, but I still see them get great ratings. I just stopped using them because they had worse performance on paper and cost more than, say, Synology.

                                            Great ratings from consumers and people who don't enact their SLA. The two week SLA means that no one in a serious business is using them in a serious role... so you have to understand the context of the ratings. Ratings don't tell you very much if you don't know if the ratings are comparative or not.

                                            I was only using the ratings as a reflection of the product itself, not the turn around or customer service. I've had zero interaction with QNAP since I've never had to send one back. If something as small as a 2-bay unit failed, I wouldn't expect much since it is not something that has an agreement for overnight or something. That would exceed the cost of the unit by far I would think..

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