Installing Axigen X Email on CentOS 7
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
Wouldn't they just "waste" their time on something else?
That's why he pointed out that it was a fallacy.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
Wouldn't they just "waste" their time on something else?
That's why he pointed out that it was a fallacy.
Ah, there we go... reading comprehension is a bit off today.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
But none of that would lead to being upset with Facebook itself.
It's an easy to put your finger on time waster - so she finds it's integration as yet another way people can waste time.
I'm sure if she could find value in FB (FYI, she does not have an account herself, so she finds no value of any kind in FB - heck, she doesn't even have a personal email address) then having it integrated might have more value, but instead, she can see it actively take people away from their jobs that they should be doing instead.
I do realize that replacing those people is the only real answer to that problem..
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
Wouldn't they just "waste" their time on something else?
That's why he pointed out that it was a fallacy.
Ah, there we go... reading comprehension is a bit off today.
Scott beat me to it.. but yeah. you're right, they would waste time on something else.. be it just walking around doing nothing, they'd do anything other than working.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
But none of that would lead to being upset with Facebook itself.
It's an easy to put your finger on time waster - so she finds it's integration as yet another way people can waste time.
I'm sure if she could find value in FB (FYI, she does not have an account herself, so she finds no value of any kind in FB - heck, she doesn't even have a personal email address) then having it integrated might have more value, but instead, she can see it actively take people away from their jobs that they should be doing instead.
I do realize that replacing those people is the only real answer to that problem..
Or better yet ignore the use of Facebook and determine if it is actually preventing work from being done.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
But none of that would lead to being upset with Facebook itself.
It's an easy to put your finger on time waster - so she finds it's integration as yet another way people can waste time.
I'm sure if she could find value in FB (FYI, she does not have an account herself, so she finds no value of any kind in FB - heck, she doesn't even have a personal email address) then having it integrated might have more value, but instead, she can see it actively take people away from their jobs that they should be doing instead.
I do realize that replacing those people is the only real answer to that problem..
Or better yet ignore the use of Facebook and determine if it is actually preventing work from being done.
Well in our case we know that work is not getting done. Charts are not being prepped as desired, patients are not getting called back in timely manner, etc.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
But none of that would lead to being upset with Facebook itself.
It's an easy to put your finger on time waster - so she finds it's integration as yet another way people can waste time.
I'm sure if she could find value in FB (FYI, she does not have an account herself, so she finds no value of any kind in FB - heck, she doesn't even have a personal email address) then having it integrated might have more value, but instead, she can see it actively take people away from their jobs that they should be doing instead.
I do realize that replacing those people is the only real answer to that problem..
Or better yet ignore the use of Facebook and determine if it is actually preventing work from being done.
Well in our case we know that work is not getting done. Charts are not being prepped as desired, patients are not getting called back in timely manner, etc.
So then we know the solution is to get rid of that user. If they aren't doing their work then they need to be let go. That seems like a no-brainer.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
Wouldn't they just "waste" their time on something else?
That's why he pointed out that it was a fallacy.
Ah, there we go... reading comprehension is a bit off today.
Scott beat me to it.. but yeah. you're right, they would waste time on something else.. be it just walking around doing nothing, they'd do anything other than working.
That's what I've found. Block everything and people will just talk about sports in the office. Facebook is better because it does not encourage people to interrupt each other.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
But none of that would lead to being upset with Facebook itself.
It's an easy to put your finger on time waster - so she finds it's integration as yet another way people can waste time.
I'm sure if she could find value in FB (FYI, she does not have an account herself, so she finds no value of any kind in FB - heck, she doesn't even have a personal email address) then having it integrated might have more value, but instead, she can see it actively take people away from their jobs that they should be doing instead.
I do realize that replacing those people is the only real answer to that problem..
Or better yet ignore the use of Facebook and determine if it is actually preventing work from being done.
Well in our case we know that work is not getting done. Charts are not being prepped as desired, patients are not getting called back in timely manner, etc.
It has nothing to do with Facebook as you have already stated in this very thread. A food day leads to lack of work.
The problem is that everyone needs disciplined or fired. Poor management not evenly (or at all it seems) enforcing proper behavior has led to the employees taking advantage of said poor management.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When my boss saw that you could integrate Facebook into Outlook, she was none to happy.
She was unhappy that you COULD integrate it? That's an odd reaction. That sounds like someone who is mad at Facebook and upset that other people enjoy it. Like hating it when you see kids having fun at the park. No one is making you use the park or have kids, but some people are just unhappy that other people are happy with things or like different things than them.
Well my boss hates facebook because her employees waste time on FB instead of doing their job.
It's a pretty big issue that she has no issue with the employees or the lack of work, but chooses to hate FB who is innocent in the situation. I feel like she just uses work as a means to vent her prejudices - she is not reacting like a person genuinely upset by the lack of work being done.
Do you feel that she would equally hate food if they were wasting their time eating?
I don't have to provide a feeling, I know she does.. because the staff does that too. They have food days all the time where they all bring in food then snack on it all day, away from their desks.
I'm sure she actually could care less about Facebook itself. What she hates is that people aren't doing their work. She believe that if Facebook didn't exist that the employees would have little else to do and would therefore do their work. Of course this is the fallacy.
But none of that would lead to being upset with Facebook itself.
It's an easy to put your finger on time waster - so she finds it's integration as yet another way people can waste time.
I'm sure if she could find value in FB (FYI, she does not have an account herself, so she finds no value of any kind in FB - heck, she doesn't even have a personal email address) then having it integrated might have more value, but instead, she can see it actively take people away from their jobs that they should be doing instead.
I do realize that replacing those people is the only real answer to that problem..
Or better yet ignore the use of Facebook and determine if it is actually preventing work from being done.
Well in our case we know that work is not getting done. Charts are not being prepped as desired, patients are not getting called back in timely manner, etc.
So then we know the solution is to get rid of that user. If they aren't doing their work then they need to be let go. That seems like a no-brainer.
no, the solution is to get rid of the manager and HR that are enabling that user. If there is a manager focused on Facebook instead of on productivity, that's where the problem is. If HR is hiring bad people and retaining bad people and using Facebook as an excuse for HR not doing its job... that's the critical flaw. Why would the end users work hard when HR isn't doing its job? HR is setting an example here.
It's a problem only HR can fix and cannot be fixed by blaming apps or web sites or whatever. If people aren't working, don't retain them. If you can't hire good people, improve the environment. Only management has this power, if this was one bad user, and management was good they would work with them and if they couldn't fix them, they would let them go. But when it is endemic to the environment, it's not the workers at fault.
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@JaredBusch said:
The problem is that everyone needs disciplined or fired. Poor management not evenly (or at all it seems) enforcing proper behavior has led to the employees taking advantage of said poor management.
Exactly. If the employees can not work and that is found acceptable, they've been trained to work at the level that they are working.
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@Dashrender said:
heck, she doesn't even have a personal email address
Then how does she communicate with someone to get a new job? Use her work email? o_0
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@aaronstuder said:
@Dashrender said:
heck, she doesn't even have a personal email address
Then how does she communicate with someone to get a new job? Use her work email?
What makes you think she's looking for another job?
She's been here 24 years, she isn't going anywhere unless they fire her...
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@Dashrender said:
She's been here 24 years, she isn't going anywhere unless they fire her...
I refer to those people as "lifers" - very sad. Hard to grow that way....
People get comfortable and they stop improving. So sad.
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@aaronstuder said:
@Dashrender said:
She's been here 24 years, she isn't going anywhere unless they fire her...
I refer to those people as "lifers" - very sad. Hard to grow that way....
People get comfortable and they stop improving. So sad.
Not everyone is like Scott and literally wants a different job/employer every 6 months to one year.
Would you call it sad an IT person who worked for one MSP/ITSP for 10+ years sad? Plenty of room for growth, new learning there.
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@Dashrender said:
@aaronstuder said:
@Dashrender said:
heck, she doesn't even have a personal email address
Then how does she communicate with someone to get a new job? Use her work email?
What makes you think she's looking for another job?
She's been here 24 years, she isn't going anywhere unless they fire her...
And thus the chain of "not doing their job" begins.
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@aaronstuder said:
@Dashrender said:
She's been here 24 years, she isn't going anywhere unless they fire her...
I refer to those people as "lifers" - very sad. Hard to grow that way....
People get comfortable and they stop improving. So sad.
What makes you think that she wants to grow or improve? I don't know her personally, but just as an average.. most people hat e the idea of growing and improving. Those of us that frequent forums, work in IT, etc. tend to be the group that thinks that growth and success and improvement and "doing things right" are important. but most people don't think that way. To the average person, we are the ones in the sad state.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@aaronstuder said:
@Dashrender said:
She's been here 24 years, she isn't going anywhere unless they fire her...
I refer to those people as "lifers" - very sad. Hard to grow that way....
People get comfortable and they stop improving. So sad.
What makes you think that she wants to grow or improve? I don't know her personally, but just as an average.. most people hat e the idea of growing and improving. Those of us that frequent forums, work in IT, etc. tend to be the group that thinks that growth and success and improvement and "doing things right" are important. but most people don't think that way. To the average person, we are the ones in the sad state.
I'll pick on my wife with this one - she sees no reason to get a newer 4K type TV, or change the way she's been teaching math for 20+ years.. Oh, not that either of us thing Common Core is a good thing in any way!
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@Dashrender said:
I'll pick on my wife with this one - she sees no reason to get a newer 4K type TV,
I wouldn't group that in the same category.... You can easily say that you are improving the financial situation by not buying a TV
I now live in a house with two unplugged 13" CRTs. LOL
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@scottalanmiller said:
I now live in a house with two unplugged 13" CRTs. LOL
it costs to much to recycle them
