Hidden scroll bars - information getting lost
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@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
@dafyre said:
@johnhooks said:
Which client is that?
Telegram.
Ya sorry, which client as in what platform is it on.
Windows, in this case Windows 10.
When you move the mouse past the edge of the screen in the main client the scroll bar fades into existence. This is something a user will do all of the time. So it shold be obvious to either just attempt a scroll or mouse to the edge of the settings windows to check.
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Bad enough I need to waste my valuable time learning a new OS and GUI but hiding some of the most important interactive parts is just beyond the pale.
If you really have to hide them, give me a freaking hint that there's more below.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
@dafyre said:
@johnhooks said:
Which client is that?
Telegram.
Ya sorry, which client as in what platform is it on.
Windows, in this case Windows 10.
When you move the mouse past the edge of the screen in the main client the scroll bar fades into existence. This is something a user will do all of the time. So it shold be obvious to either just attempt a scroll or mouse to the edge of the settings windows to check.
Ubuntu also does this (you can still kind of see the scroll bar) but it's very small until you hover over it.
In case anyone hasn't seen that yet.
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@MattSpeller said:
Bad enough I need to waste my valuable time learning a new OS and GUI but hiding some of the most important interactive parts is just beyond the pale.
If you really have to hide them, give me a freaking hint that there's more below.
THis has nothing to do with Windows 10. It is the design of the applicaiotn on any version of Windows.
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@JaredBusch just venting - direct against Ubuntu if you so wish
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It wouldn't be so bad if it would scroll when I pressed the up / down or PGUP/PGDOWN keys... But it does... nothing.
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@johnhooks said:
I probably don't usually notice. From doing some limited web design and dealing with different templates of newer sites I just scroll if I don't see everything. A lot of sites don't show that you need to scroll (you can still see the scroll bar though) but I've just kind of been used to that I guess.
Sure if something is missing - but what would make you think something is missing. I mean look at my OP - there is no reason to think there are more options. none. The page is clearly complete.
That's what's just wrong about the disappearing bar. This random act that you HOPE that your mouse drifts close enough to the right side to bring up the bar AND notice that it's there so you scroll down? or just hey I'm on a setting window - in an APP - I'm just going to randomly scroll the mouse wheel to see if there is something more.
In a webpage - maybe - MAYBE I could give this to you.... but in a settings app on an installed application - hell no. and really nah, I won't give that to you in a web page either.\
/rant
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@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
I probably don't usually notice. From doing some limited web design and dealing with different templates of newer sites I just scroll if I don't see everything. A lot of sites don't show that you need to scroll (you can still see the scroll bar though) but I've just kind of been used to that I guess.
Sure if something is missing - but what would make you think something is missing. I mean look at my OP - there is no reason to think there are more options. none. The page is clearly complete.
That's what's just wrong about the disappearing bar. This random act that you HOPE that your mouse drifts close enough to the right side to bring up the bar AND notice that it's there so you scroll down? or just hey I'm on a setting window - in an APP - I'm just going to randomly scroll the mouse wheel to see if there is something more.
In a webpage - maybe - MAYBE I could give this to you.... but in a settings app on an installed application - hell no. and really nah, I won't give that to you in a web page either.\
/rant
My Chromebook is the same way. When you open Files, you don't get a scrollbar until you start scrolling or move over to the right.
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@Dashrender said:
That's what's just wrong about the disappearing bar. This random act that you HOPE that your mouse drifts close enough to the right side to bring up the bar AND notice that it's there so you scroll down? or just hey I'm on a setting window - in an APP - I'm just going to randomly scroll the mouse wheel to see if there is something more.
But it is not a random act. It is the behavior of the application as a whole. Because of that, every time you come back to the application you have a change to see the scroll bar fade in and out. Also, every time you type anything it fades in and out. This makes it very obvious (to me) that scroll controls are native to the entire application.
So because of that, the first time I ever wen to the settings screen I simply assumed there was more and scrolled. I would have been highly surprised had it not scrolled honestly.
Also, i normally run smaller windows than it seems you do. so I also normally assume there is more to see than what I can currently see.
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I'm just old fashioned that way. And for us IT people, it's fine. we understand that there can be more on the screen that what is shown.
However, for end users , the scrollbars need to be there by default and let the user turn them off.
