Chopping off their own feet....
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@IRJ said:
At least one of the SPs is watching this thread and reporting back to the OGs
sure as hell a'int me, after my rant the other day on Mango, it kind of solidified my stance on most of whats going on over there.
Is there a mentality of fanboyism over there? I doubt it'll degrade any time soon. I mean in all honesty my use of the site, my goal of the sites for the longest time was to solve problems, and learn. Many other IT folks joined in and we learned together, we as a whole taught and learned from one another (another shout out to @IRJ and @scottalanmiller ). It was very comforting that I had a safe place to learn. A very "politically correct" feel began to take over the site, vendors started to march in, and the serious nature has begun to turn into a gaming forum. For every 10 serious questions, there are easily 100 water cooler, gaming, and random posts. Its not a place for IT anymore, its becoming a place for the lowest common denominator in IT, people who say they like computers, get jobs doing it, but don't know a damn thing about 'em.
But I can't say I looked at Mango in a high light when I first heard about it either. It came off as a "we're better than you, look at us" kind of feel. Which as I'm looking at it now and discard my blind ignorance, I see that's not true. Mango is the original people from the other site that helped me, and that I liked, tired of the same stuff I am.
You guys are all very awesome :-). Shout out time @PSX_Defector @Nic @Aaron-Studer @Minion-Queen . Literally no point to these shout outs, just wanted to do 'em.
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@RAM.
I never doubted you, buddy.
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SW is still valuable and I dont see myself going away from it completely.
My only complaint about Mangolassi is the lack of questions, which of course stems from a lack of users.
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@IRJ said:
At least one of the SPs is watching this thread and reporting back to the OGs
They all read this sight. They officially are very aware of the activity here. We link to SW a bit too although linking to here is not allowed.
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@Hubtech said:
that's okay. seems to be the culture in forums. Get to the top (or close) of the mountain, get big britches, start upsetting the very folks that carried you to the top...branch off, small new forum with a high density of originals, tech talent, etc. Heck, this is going on in one of my automotive forums as we speak! it's funny the similarities, just the parts/pieces/lingo are different.
Agreed. Which begs the question, how do we guardrail ML from doing the same?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Hubtech said:
that's okay. seems to be the culture in forums. Get to the top (or close) of the mountain, get big britches, start upsetting the very folks that carried you to the top...branch off, small new forum with a high density of originals, tech talent, etc. Heck, this is going on in one of my automotive forums as we speak! it's funny the similarities, just the parts/pieces/lingo are different.
Agreed. Which begs the question, how do we guardrail ML from doing the same?
Well, we are starting this forum off intentionally avoiding such behavior. I'm not sure who the mods are here. maybe each sub forum should have its own community appointed mods? not that there is really a whole lot of need for moderation right now. but as it grows, will be needed. ML seems to have quite the open door policy which is cool.
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@IRJ said:
SW is still valuable and I dont see myself going away from it completely.
My only complaint about Mangolassi is the lack of questions, which of course stems from a lack of users.
Yes. That is the struggle now. ML is strong in experts. SW is strong in newbies. They have a funnel to get those people in (the app does that) which is ingenious.
Word of mouth is critical right now.
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There are only 2 mods here: @steve and myself. We want to keep it fun and beneficial to the IT Pro's. Do we hope to get Vendors in here? YES and I know we have a few now such as Webroot, Unitrends, Server Monkey and Xbyte to name a few. Will we have paid advertising at some point ? Yes! But the community as it grows will be more and more for the IT pros.
@IRJ If you have questions ask them!! We need those questions. NTG has been great in helping get started and we want to continue the upward trend.
I spoke with @Minion-Queen today regarding the generating of more questions and her team will be helping out more and more with that. I am hearing about the NTG lab and the interns that will be working in it all summer. Since they are all newbies I am sure they will be bringing you all lots of questions to answer.
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@IRJ said:
SW is still valuable and I dont see myself going away from it completely.
My only complaint about Mangolassi is the lack of questions, which of course stems from a lack of users.
I will begin to start asking my questions here Joel, the futile nature of quick "you're wrong" and immediate trolling on the other side is getting annoying no matter the severity of the question. Over here though, I feel we've got a crack pot team of serious IT people.
Vendors can still send me bacon if they want :-P, and with that no more spicy stuff, we get Mango Lassi for vendor contests :-P. Mango popcorn anyone?
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There are a lot of topics that don't go well over there. One is anything like monitoring or tickets. If you don't use SW, no one wants to hear about it or help you. One of the problems with having the site dedicated to supporting a single product and vendor.
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@scottalanmiller said:
There are a lot of topics that don't go well over there. One is anything like monitoring or tickets. If you don't use SW, no one wants to hear about it or help you. One of the problems with having the site dedicated to supporting a single product and vendor.
Well its an unwritten bias based on ignorance. SW is in my opinion a fantastic product, but that's only because I have no experience with other products, and that's generally the formation of fanboys. "I hate Linux because it sucks and Windows is better", not founded upon fact or logic, only based on ignorance and arrogance. From my understanding TrackIT is great, but yet again, no experience.
Furthermore if we start our IT endeavors using product A, and we are familiar with product A, so we don't want to branch out from product A EVEN IF we have stats, facts, and free trials for product B.... we don't know it and we fear it.
Example... I thought Linux was a joke until about 4 years ago when I installed it on a laptop because I royaly ruined a the OS, didn't have any restore media, and didn't want to buy any new boot media. Downloaded Ubuntu as a joke and realized its pretty nifty, since then I'm still stuck in my windows ways but... when I'm not working on my gaming rig... everything else... Linux in some way...
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As to the SW/Mango thing, I'm personally just staying above all the shenanigans. SW is a lot more busy than Mango right now, so I tend to post more there than here. I do try to browse when I have time and contribute when I can. It is just so much more volume there right now and I'm sure Mango will get busier and busier as time moves forward.
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@DenisKelley said:
As to the SW/Mango thing, I'm personally just staying above all the shenanigans. SW is a lot more busy than Mango right now, so I tend to post more there than here. I do try to browse when I have time and contribute when I can. It is just so much more volume there right now and I'm sure Mango will get busier and busier as time moves forward.
I have personal grievances with them sadly at this point :-/, I try not to hold grudges but... some need to exist for us to move forward.
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@DenisKelley said:
As to the SW/Mango thing, I'm personally just staying above all the shenanigans. SW is a lot more busy than Mango right now, so I tend to post more there than here. I do try to browse when I have time and contribute when I can. It is just so much more volume there right now and I'm sure Mango will get busier and busier as time moves forward.
Not nearly the volume of three months ago though. It is visibly quiet. And the quality of the conversations have changed a lot. Much more newbie focused.
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@DenisKelley said:
@RAM.
How's the job hunt going?lol interesting. Thought I had already won the race, turns out my bookie placed my bet on the wrong horse. Back in the saddle my friend, going to start all over again.
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How is your Linux-fu? That's the hot ticket these days.
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@RAM. said:
@DenisKelley said:
As to the SW/Mango thing, I'm personally just staying above all the shenanigans. SW is a lot more busy than Mango right now, so I tend to post more there than here. I do try to browse when I have time and contribute when I can. It is just so much more volume there right now and I'm sure Mango will get busier and busier as time moves forward.
I have personal grievances with them sadly at this point :-/, I try not to hold grudges but... some need to exist for us to move forward.
I think I finally put 2 and 2 together
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@IRJ LOL
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ LOL
hey now, being outside of the in group sometimes has its advantages. Sometimes the less you know, the better off you are
