Chopping off their own feet....
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@scottalanmiller said:
There are a lot of topics that don't go well over there. One is anything like monitoring or tickets. If you don't use SW, no one wants to hear about it or help you. One of the problems with having the site dedicated to supporting a single product and vendor.
Well its an unwritten bias based on ignorance. SW is in my opinion a fantastic product, but that's only because I have no experience with other products, and that's generally the formation of fanboys. "I hate Linux because it sucks and Windows is better", not founded upon fact or logic, only based on ignorance and arrogance. From my understanding TrackIT is great, but yet again, no experience.
Furthermore if we start our IT endeavors using product A, and we are familiar with product A, so we don't want to branch out from product A EVEN IF we have stats, facts, and free trials for product B.... we don't know it and we fear it.
Example... I thought Linux was a joke until about 4 years ago when I installed it on a laptop because I royaly ruined a the OS, didn't have any restore media, and didn't want to buy any new boot media. Downloaded Ubuntu as a joke and realized its pretty nifty, since then I'm still stuck in my windows ways but... when I'm not working on my gaming rig... everything else... Linux in some way...
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As to the SW/Mango thing, I'm personally just staying above all the shenanigans. SW is a lot more busy than Mango right now, so I tend to post more there than here. I do try to browse when I have time and contribute when I can. It is just so much more volume there right now and I'm sure Mango will get busier and busier as time moves forward.
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@DenisKelley said:
As to the SW/Mango thing, I'm personally just staying above all the shenanigans. SW is a lot more busy than Mango right now, so I tend to post more there than here. I do try to browse when I have time and contribute when I can. It is just so much more volume there right now and I'm sure Mango will get busier and busier as time moves forward.
I have personal grievances with them sadly at this point :-/, I try not to hold grudges but... some need to exist for us to move forward.
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@RAM.
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@DenisKelley said:
As to the SW/Mango thing, I'm personally just staying above all the shenanigans. SW is a lot more busy than Mango right now, so I tend to post more there than here. I do try to browse when I have time and contribute when I can. It is just so much more volume there right now and I'm sure Mango will get busier and busier as time moves forward.
Not nearly the volume of three months ago though. It is visibly quiet. And the quality of the conversations have changed a lot. Much more newbie focused.
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@DenisKelley said:
@RAM.
How's the job hunt going?lol interesting. Thought I had already won the race, turns out my bookie placed my bet on the wrong horse. Back in the saddle my friend, going to start all over again.
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How is your Linux-fu? That's the hot ticket these days.
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@RAM. said:
@DenisKelley said:
As to the SW/Mango thing, I'm personally just staying above all the shenanigans. SW is a lot more busy than Mango right now, so I tend to post more there than here. I do try to browse when I have time and contribute when I can. It is just so much more volume there right now and I'm sure Mango will get busier and busier as time moves forward.
I have personal grievances with them sadly at this point :-/, I try not to hold grudges but... some need to exist for us to move forward.
I think I finally put 2 and 2 together
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@IRJ LOL
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ LOL
hey now, being outside of the in group sometimes has its advantages. Sometimes the less you know, the better off you are
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since i am involved or at least try to be involved on both sites I want offer up my opinion for what its worth. I joined the SW community when i started my current job, why because we used the software. As i become more involved in the community I started seeing more and more public power struggles.I myself posted in the rant thread a few times about the mods not doing their jobs and letting blatant things fly when those things were not allowed prior to a certain CM's departure. @Bill-Kindle sent me a link to this site after we had a public disagreement (but in the private conversation things were hashed out) I still post on both sites and attempt to help out where I can. ML seems to be more IT Pro based and not for the basic user (which is good). Now still haven't reached the SP level on SW yet and don't really care to, I'm not in it for the points, I'm there to provide help where possible just like here. While I post more there, i am starting to here since most of the people i talk to are now using this instead.
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@david.wiese the lack of a points system here changes behavior too. There is nothing to game. No SP group to aspire to or anything like that. The idea that everyone is a peer here is important. None of that hierarchy that goes on over there.
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@scottalanmiller I like that there are no points here. I always felt like people just wrote up how-to's just to get the points, and those how-to's did not have any value to them. They were just doing it to get points to get to the next level. I always approached the points as one that shows how knowledgeable someone was, boy was I wrong about that!
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I fought the points from day zero. They called me to discuss them before they went live. I tried to head them off but lost that fight. I feel that they undermined the community value over the long haul.
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I wonder if they were trying to compete with Experts Exchange ... give the users some way to see the value they've provided the community while still remaining free, unlike Experts Exchange.
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@Dashrender the points were about encouraging posting and they worked. They encourage volume rather than value and volume, not value, is what is sold to the advertisers.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender the points were about encouraging posting and they worked. They encourage volume rather than value and volume, not value, is what is sold to the advertisers.
Good morning everyone. wow i am happy to found this new thread again. same as @scottalanmiller expecting to read more topics every morning.
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It was a busy day today. Hopefully a busy night tonight too.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Hubtech said:
that's okay. seems to be the culture in forums. Get to the top (or close) of the mountain, get big britches, start upsetting the very folks that carried you to the top...branch off, small new forum with a high density of originals, tech talent, etc. Heck, this is going on in one of my automotive forums as we speak! it's funny the similarities, just the parts/pieces/lingo are different.
Agreed. Which begs the question, how do we guardrail ML from doing the same?
You can't. All forums are like Animal Farm in the end.....
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@david.wiese said:
I like that there are no points here. I always felt like people just wrote up how-to's just to get the points, and those how-to's did not have any value to them. They were just doing it to get points to get to the next level. I always approached the points as one that shows how knowledgeable someone was, boy was I wrong about that!
There's "reputation". As someone with an embarrassingly low posts to reputation ratio, I'm sensitive to this!
