A new way of parental control
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@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I got a new 5S just a few months ago. You can have a 4S that was given to you by Apple support not all that long ago.
Huh?
Explain, I'm confused. Unless you mean that you can still get a new iPhone 4S in plastic-wrap. Which OK sure you can, but why would you really want to?
Because you go to support with a phone issue and they give you a new phone. That's what happened to me. Dropped on in a lake... got a new one. So my iPhone 5S cost me "nothing" and is just three months old.
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@scottalanmiller Oh, well doesn't that speak to the fact that they are either really good at refurbishing the phones that come back, or way over built the phones in advance if you're getting a new phone for free?
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
What most of us don't realize is that that 15% is the USA and Western Europe. It's the rest of the world that makes up most of that 85% of Android.
That might be overstating it. Apple's 15% is mostly USA and Western Europe, and Android probably has around 5-10% of it's sales in USA and Western Europe, but the mass majority of the rest of the globe is Android because of cheap devices.
This is also where MS phones sing. Why, because MS also makes Cheap Phones.
Without the context, those sales figures are very hard to follow. Android is a range of devices, many of which are not compatible with each other. All four of our Androids right now are all Amazon Fire devices and aren't compatible with Google Play devices, for example. They are their own ecosystem even though they share code with the rest of the Android world. Two are tablets, two are set top and none are phones. All four together were about $150. How do you compare that to our two iPhones for a combined $1,400? Are the Androids 10% by money? Are they 67% by volume? Do tablets count? Do "TV" devices count? Do phones count?
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Because I very highly doubt that Apple is still manufacturing an iPhone 4S and 5/5S.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller Oh, well doesn't that speak to the fact that they are either really good at refurbishing the phones that come back, or way over built the phones in advance if you're getting a new phone for free?
Same as any other support / warranty system.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Because I very highly doubt that Apple is still manufacturing an iPhone 4S and 5/5S.
Why? They are super cheap to make now.
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Never said it wasn't.
But it's new to you (repaired and sitting on a shelf) it's not new like the "new car smell".
It's perfectly acceptable, but its likely not new.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Never said it wasn't.
But it's new to you (repaired and sitting on a shelf) it's not new like the "new car smell".
It's perfectly acceptable, but its likely not new.
They are very much new. Not refurbed, not repaired.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
What most of us don't realize is that that 15% is the USA and Western Europe. It's the rest of the world that makes up most of that 85% of Android.
That might be overstating it. Apple's 15% is mostly USA and Western Europe, and Android probably has around 5-10% of it's sales in USA and Western Europe, but the mass majority of the rest of the globe is Android because of cheap devices.
This is also where MS phones sing. Why, because MS also makes Cheap Phones.
Without the context, those sales figures are very hard to follow. Android is a range of devices, many of which are not compatible with each other. All four of our Androids right now are all Amazon Fire devices and aren't compatible with Google Play devices, for example. They are their own ecosystem even though they share code with the rest of the Android world. Two are tablets, two are set top and none are phones. All four together were about $150. How do you compare that to our two iPhones for a combined $1,400? Are the Androids 10% by money? Are they 67% by volume? Do tablets count? Do "TV" devices count? Do phones count?
While it's nothing more than my assumption - my assumption is that the sales are of unit Phones sold and phones only. 15% of the phone sales are Apple, around 2% are MS phones, around 1.5% are BlackBerry, under 1% for other, that leaves the rest for Android at 80.5%.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
What most of us don't realize is that that 15% is the USA and Western Europe. It's the rest of the world that makes up most of that 85% of Android.
That might be overstating it. Apple's 15% is mostly USA and Western Europe, and Android probably has around 5-10% of it's sales in USA and Western Europe, but the mass majority of the rest of the globe is Android because of cheap devices.
This is also where MS phones sing. Why, because MS also makes Cheap Phones.
Without the context, those sales figures are very hard to follow. Android is a range of devices, many of which are not compatible with each other. All four of our Androids right now are all Amazon Fire devices and aren't compatible with Google Play devices, for example. They are their own ecosystem even though they share code with the rest of the Android world. Two are tablets, two are set top and none are phones. All four together were about $150. How do you compare that to our two iPhones for a combined $1,400? Are the Androids 10% by money? Are they 67% by volume? Do tablets count? Do "TV" devices count? Do phones count?
While it's nothing more than my assumption - my assumption is that the sales are of unit Phones sold and phones only. 15% of the phone sales are Apple, around 2% are MS phones, around 1.5% are BlackBerry, under 1% for other, that leaves the rest for Android at 80.5%.
Possibly, but that seems unlikely. Why and even how do you separate out the devices like that? Is my dad's iPad with 4G service a phone or a tablet?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
What most of us don't realize is that that 15% is the USA and Western Europe. It's the rest of the world that makes up most of that 85% of Android.
That might be overstating it. Apple's 15% is mostly USA and Western Europe, and Android probably has around 5-10% of it's sales in USA and Western Europe, but the mass majority of the rest of the globe is Android because of cheap devices.
This is also where MS phones sing. Why, because MS also makes Cheap Phones.
Without the context, those sales figures are very hard to follow. Android is a range of devices, many of which are not compatible with each other. All four of our Androids right now are all Amazon Fire devices and aren't compatible with Google Play devices, for example. They are their own ecosystem even though they share code with the rest of the Android world. Two are tablets, two are set top and none are phones. All four together were about $150. How do you compare that to our two iPhones for a combined $1,400? Are the Androids 10% by money? Are they 67% by volume? Do tablets count? Do "TV" devices count? Do phones count?
While it's nothing more than my assumption - my assumption is that the sales are of unit Phones sold and phones only. 15% of the phone sales are Apple, around 2% are MS phones, around 1.5% are BlackBerry, under 1% for other, that leaves the rest for Android at 80.5%.
Possibly, but that seems unlikely. Why and even how do you separate out the devices like that? Is my dad's iPad with 4G service a phone or a tablet?
You call Apple - how many iPhones did you sell last year? You call Samsung, how many Phones with Android on it did you sell last year? etc, etc, etc... you add all the numbers up and you end up with what I mentioned earlier. Unless you're telling me those numbers are not released for public consumption.
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I definitely do not think that those numbers are public. Nor, in some cases, are things like "is it Android". And how do you know every manufacturer to contact? This seems like it is asking a bunch of disconnected people both their opinion on sales numbers as well as their subjective numbers as to what is or isn't a phone. Layers of subjectivity and opinion. I'm not saying that an iPad Mini with 4G is or isn't a phone, but legally it is a phone (it makes phone calls and has a phone number) and most people don't consider it one and I can make calls from a desktop device so the ability for people to have "close enough" definitions of what is or isn't a phone is nearly gone today.
What about a pager, is that a phone? What about a Blackberry that only gets email?
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@scottalanmiller said:
most people don't consider it one and I can make calls from a desktop device so the ability for people to have "close enough" definitions of what is or isn't a phone is nearly gone today.
I really wonder when the PSTN will go away and we'll have only IP based technologies handling these things?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
most people don't consider it one and I can make calls from a desktop device so the ability for people to have "close enough" definitions of what is or isn't a phone is nearly gone today.
I really wonder when the PSTN will go away and we'll have only IP based technologies handling these things?
The US will be one of the last places clinging to PSTN, I have zero doubts about that.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
most people don't consider it one and I can make calls from a desktop device so the ability for people to have "close enough" definitions of what is or isn't a phone is nearly gone today.
I really wonder when the PSTN will go away and we'll have only IP based technologies handling these things?
The PSTN will almost never go away. However, the IP world will handle most calls. That world is nearly upon us. The PSTN is rapidly being bypassed in more and more of the world. The US and SubSaharan Africa where they rely on SMS instead of IP for messaging will be the last holdouts of the old world, IMHO. There are whole countries that have effectively left the PSTN already.
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@scottalanmiller said:
There are whole countries that have effectively left the PSTN already.
Any western nations?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
There are whole countries that have effectively left the PSTN already.
Any western nations?
Panama and Nicarauga, for example, basely use it. They use Skype, WhatsApp and similar because they are small countries mostly calling internationally and don't want to pay PSTN fees and have ubiquitous, stable Internet access.
I can't believe that Qatar uses it, insane to me.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
There are whole countries that have effectively left the PSTN already.
Any western nations?
Panama and Nicarauga, for example, basely use it. They use Skype, WhatsApp and similar because they are small countries mostly calling internationally and don't want to pay PSTN fees and have ubiquitous, stable Internet access.
I can't believe that Qatar uses it, insane to me.
Ok, but those aren't western nations. Other than Qatar (not sure on it's status) the rest are considered 3rd world.
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@Dashrender said:
Ok, but those aren't western nations. Other than Qatar (not sure on it's status) the rest are considered 3rd world.
Um....
They are as western and western gets. They are western culture. They are western location. Can't really be less western. Are you thinking western means something very different than it does? First world and western have no relationship.
Panama is first world, it's a US colony.
Nicaragua is western and second world, not third.
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We joke about Nicaragura being in the third world, but it's just a joke. They are very much part of the second world Russia / Cuba block.
