A new way of parental control
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
@JaredBusch said:
@IRJ said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I don't feel that any of those factors are likely to be true. So why do you feel they would want to spend costly development resources making features only for an audience that they are not likely to have anyway? How many people would actually buy this based on such a feature and actually avoid it without it?
Many mobile apps are just glorified web browsers.. It seems like this easy enough to do.
Now, this is very true. And if that is all that the app does, then you would be right that there is no excuse.
Of course the app would need to scan the network for the device before connecting so it would automatically find the IP, but this seems easy enough to implement
Depends on the security, auditing, potential other features, etc. There is every reason to assume that it is nothing like this because this suggests that there is a web page on the device that we just can't find. It's safe to assume that that is not true.
Security on your own network? All you are doing is giving a device commands that is on your own network. It is not like anything you are sending needs to be encrypted. If somebody were to intercept data, they would already need to be on your own network. As you reminded me earlier, this is for consumers and not businesses. So it is doubtful any data should need to be protected.
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Well, sort of. Remember that this is specifically a device built around the concept that you have an enemy (your kids) inside with a reason to defeat the security. You want to be careful, of course, that this new device will not expose you to outside threats on its own but also that it will not be trivially defeated by the kids or they will lose all credibility and the product will be done.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller said:
- This is only about time to market and they are not choosing to eschew any market, only focusing on the lowest cost, most important first.
Maybe if not lowest cost, wider market. I was under the impression that Android development & App store licensing was far cheaper than Apple / IOS?
Sure, but it is also fragmented. Getting into the Google Play store doesn't get you onto Fire devices and vice versa. Getting into Android is a lot of steps with a lot of vendors. And the cost of getting into the store is nothing compared to the cost of development - that's what they really care about. And they are doing it, it's all about prioritization, not choosing one over another.
Getting into the Play Store is so easy. Anybody with $25 can do it. Apple on the other hand is very selective. I have made android and apple apps so I have experience with both. Mine we basic ones built in a web browser. Nothing too fancy, but I would assume this would be something similar.
If you can control enterprise devices via the web, there is absolutely no reason, you can't control this device through a web interface.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Yup, people choosing Android because it is $50, good for kids that might break it and comes with lots of free apps are not good customers. People spending a high price to get what they perceive as a premium product are the customers that you are likely to really get. Apple customers either have more money to spend or are generally more willing to spend it than Android customers.
I'll contend that the iPhone and iPad are just a better user experience for most people.
For example, my uncle, wants to know where his bank app is on his Kindle Fire. Sorry, not there. Kind of like what @scottalanmiller was saying about developing for Apple first as opposed to getting into Google Play. They have limited resources, they are going to go where the money is.
I am really shocked how far behind you guys are in the mobile device industry. In the world where we toss our devices every year or two price is everything. People are starting to understand that you can get the same thing from Android at a fraction of the cost with even better hardware. The iPhone 4 was the last time Apple did anything absoultely ground breaking
http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-v-android-market-share-2014-5
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@scottalanmiller said:
Well, sort of. Remember that this is specifically a device built around the concept that you have an enemy (your kids) inside with a reason to defeat the security. You want to be careful, of course, that this new device will not expose you to outside threats on its own but also that it will not be trivially defeated by the kids or they will lose all credibility and the product will be done.
I wouldn't expect kids to intercept packages on their own network. If they can do that, they can easily defeat their parents in other ways.
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@IRJ said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Yup, people choosing Android because it is $50, good for kids that might break it and comes with lots of free apps are not good customers. People spending a high price to get what they perceive as a premium product are the customers that you are likely to really get. Apple customers either have more money to spend or are generally more willing to spend it than Android customers.
I'll contend that the iPhone and iPad are just a better user experience for most people.
For example, my uncle, wants to know where his bank app is on his Kindle Fire. Sorry, not there. Kind of like what @scottalanmiller was saying about developing for Apple first as opposed to getting into Google Play. They have limited resources, they are going to go where the money is.
I am really shocked how far behind you guys are in the mobile device industry. In the world where we toss our devices every year or two price is everything. People are starting to understand that you can get the same thing from Android at a fraction of the cost with even better hardware. The iPhone 4 was the last time Apple did anything absoultely ground breaking
http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-v-android-market-share-2014-5
I don't see this as behind at all. It's not as simple as "Android is great and iOS sucks." I've got Android devices here, they are the cheap crappy ones. Hardware aside, they don't match iOS at all. But they serve a purpose. Don't try to tell me that the Android world is clearly better, it's not how it works. That's only for fanboys. In the real world they are two different products with different user bases. I have both, and have a much higher price point I feel the iOS ones are delivering a higher value per dollar.
Why would we toss devices every year? Our iOS devices are completely usable for five years. No need to toss them.
I get what you are saying, but you are trying to say that iOS users are behind. And that's baloney. We can equal say that Android users are a lower class. Obviously not true, but the logic of one leads to the logic of the other.
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@IRJ said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Well, sort of. Remember that this is specifically a device built around the concept that you have an enemy (your kids) inside with a reason to defeat the security. You want to be careful, of course, that this new device will not expose you to outside threats on its own but also that it will not be trivially defeated by the kids or they will lose all credibility and the product will be done.
I wouldn't expect kids to intercept packages on their own network. If they can do that, they can easily defeat their parents in other ways.
They CAN do that and are probably not and I suggested nothing of the sort. Packet captures are but one small means of attacking a network and not likely a very useful one in this case.
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@IRJ said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Yup, people choosing Android because it is $50, good for kids that might break it and comes with lots of free apps are not good customers. People spending a high price to get what they perceive as a premium product are the customers that you are likely to really get. Apple customers either have more money to spend or are generally more willing to spend it than Android customers.
I'll contend that the iPhone and iPad are just a better user experience for most people.
For example, my uncle, wants to know where his bank app is on his Kindle Fire. Sorry, not there. Kind of like what @scottalanmiller was saying about developing for Apple first as opposed to getting into Google Play. They have limited resources, they are going to go where the money is.
I am really shocked how far behind you guys are in the mobile device industry. In the world where we toss our devices every year or two price is everything. People are starting to understand that you can get the same thing from Android at a fraction of the cost with even better hardware. The iPhone 4 was the last time Apple did anything absoultely ground breaking
http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-v-android-market-share-2014-5
You're experience is considerably different from my own.
Those around me, including the $11/hr workers around me mostly have iPhones. Sure, several of them have older iPhone 4's, but they are still iPhones.
I have seen very little conversion from iPhone to Android. And even those few that I have seen switch are definitely not switching for cheaper hardware, they've all bought things like Samsung Galaxy Notes in the $800 range.
Sure the third world is making huge purchases of Androids, but the influential are still mostly sticking to apple devices.
As I stated earlier 80%+ of all mobile online purchases made for black Friday came from an iDevice, even though they only have 15% of the sales volume of total phones sold.
Oh, and I think I read that that 15% of sales was still considerable more valuable than the entire other 85% combined, because iPhones cost so much more.
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@Dashrender this lines up with my experience. I don't see iOS declining. Maybe Android is increasing. We continued to buy iOS devices this year and, since they were so cheap, tossed in a handful of Android ones. But our "real" devices aren't going to Android... just four cheap, "toy" devices.
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I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
Almost everyone I know has an iPhone. Except the people who hate Apple, and the people who think their Android phone is so much cheaper when it really isn't, apples to apples. (No pun intended.)
When general users ask me, I almost always point them to an iPhone/iMac. As I said, I think it delivers the easiest/best experiences, which is what most people are looking for.
I'm not a huge Mac fan, and I think the PC is easier and much cheaper.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Why would we toss devices every year? Our iOS devices are completely usable for five years. No need to toss them.
I saw an iPhone 4 (or 4S) last Friday, and I don't know how the user uses it. The screen is just too small.
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@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
Almost everyone I know has an iPhone. Except the people who hate Apple, and the people who think their Android phone is so much cheaper when it really isn't, apples to apples. (No pun intended.)
When general users ask me, I almost always point them to an iPhone/iMac. As I said, I think it delivers the easiest/best experiences, which is what most people are looking for.
I'm not a huge Mac fan, and I think the PC is easier and much cheaper.
I think the low numbers come from the third world and other non-US locations. It's when you realize that your iPhone count is one stat but the Android numbers get propped up by things like ChromeCast and Amazon Fire Sticks at $25. It makes Android numbers much higher than the "comparable to iPhone phone sales" numbers.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why would we toss devices every year? Our iOS devices are completely usable for five years. No need to toss them.
I saw an iPhone 4 (or 4S) last Friday, and I don't know how the user uses it. The screen is just too small.
I'm on a 5S and I'm beginning to feel like it is pretty small.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why would we toss devices every year? Our iOS devices are completely usable for five years. No need to toss them.
I saw an iPhone 4 (or 4S) last Friday, and I don't know how the user uses it. The screen is just too small.
That phone is over 5 years old (at release date at this point in time).
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@DustinB3403 said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why would we toss devices every year? Our iOS devices are completely usable for five years. No need to toss them.
I saw an iPhone 4 (or 4S) last Friday, and I don't know how the user uses it. The screen is just too small.
That phone is over 5 years old (at release date at this point in time).
I got a new 5S just a few months ago. You can have a 4S that was given to you by Apple support not all that long ago.
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@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
What most of us don't realize is that that 15% is the USA and Western Europe. It's the rest of the world that makes up most of that 85% of Android.
That might be overstating it. Apple's 15% is mostly USA and Western Europe, and Android probably has around 5-10% of it's sales in USA and Western Europe, but the mass majority of the rest of the globe is Android because of cheap devices.
This is also where MS phones sing. Why, because MS also makes Cheap Phones.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I got a new 5S just a few months ago. You can have a 4S that was given to you by Apple support not all that long ago.
Huh?
Explain, I'm confused. Unless you mean that you can still get a new iPhone 4S in plastic-wrap. Which OK sure you can, but why would you really want to?
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The thing about iPhones is that when well treated they can last a very long time. We have several iPads at or about to hit five years, all going through full charge cycles every day and they still run perfectly well. We've only replaced iPhones because we just wanted to update or because we broke the phones - never because they "got old" yet.
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@scottalanmiller The same thing goes for cars, trains and planes
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@scottalanmiller said:
The thing about iPhones is that when well treated they can last a very long time. We have several iPads at or about to hit five years, all going through full charge cycles every day and they still run perfectly well. We've only replaced iPhones because we just wanted to update or because we broke the phones - never because they "got old" yet.
Same here.
Though my 3G was soooooooooooooooooooooooooo sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow I finally caved.
That doesn't seem to happen anymore. All of the newer devices run the new iOS updates and run them pretty well.
