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      Carnival Boy
      last edited by scottalanmiller

      Is it possible to have Veeam Backup Free Edition and Veeam B&R Standard Edition in the same environment (but installed on separate servers).

      All the Veeam FAQ says is "only one edition (Standard, Enterprise, or Enterprise Plus) can be used in the same physical location. ". It doesn't specifically mention Free edition.

      I have Standard Edition to backup my main three ESXi hosts and all licences are used up on backing up those hosts. I want to install ESXi free edition on some additional hosts, and would like to back those hosts up. I can't use my main licenced software for this, but can I use the free edition?

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
        last edited by Dashrender

        The backup APIs are missing from ESXi free edition, so you can't use any version of Veeam to back it up.

        If you need to find an inexpensive/free solution, install Hyper-V instead of ESXi, then you can use Veeam free to back that up.

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          Carnival Boy
          last edited by

          Ah, yes. I remember that now! Sorry.

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          • nadnerBN
            nadnerB
            last edited by

            Would you consider using Veeam Endpoint Backup on the servers that are on ESXi free?
            You can send the backup files to your main Veeam repository

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              Carnival Boy
              last edited by

              Yes. Although my current task was to install a Smoothwall firewall on the host and I doubt that it would be a good idea to install backup agents on a firewall.

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              • dafyreD
                dafyre
                last edited by

                You back backup the Smoothwall configuration separately, and in the event you need to completely wipe & reload it, just install & restore config?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
                  last edited by

                  @Carnival-Boy said:

                  Ah, yes. I remember that now! Sorry.

                  But HyperV has the APIs for free, so there is a free option that Veeam and Unitrends support.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @Carnival Boy
                    last edited by

                    @Carnival-Boy said:

                    Yes. Although my current task was to install a Smoothwall firewall on the host and I doubt that it would be a good idea to install backup agents on a firewall.

                    So don't. You can use something like clonezilla to create the occasional backup. Assuming you aren't making changes daily, taking the Firewall offline one in a while to do a full backup shouldn't be that big a deal.

                    And there's always @dafyre solution of backing up the config itself and reinstalling in case of failure.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @dafyre
                      last edited by

                      @dafyre said:

                      You back backup the Smoothwall configuration separately, and in the event you need to completely wipe & reload it, just install & restore config?

                      This is the correct way to do it. You don't backup the whole thing, just a tiny text file that holds the configuration. You restore using an image if you have it or from building from ISO if you do not and just apply that text file. Faster to restore, tiny amount of storage for backups. Much better design.

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                        Carnival Boy
                        last edited by

                        Thanks all. Taking the Firewall offline once in a while would be a big deal. Mainly because I'd have to come into work out of hours, probably on a Sunday, which I always try and avoid.

                        Smoothwall includes a backup utility that backs up the required files. It then has the option during an install to read this backup and update the installation accordingly. But there is a gotcha. It only supports floppy disks or floppy disk images. I can manually extract the files from the floppy disk image file using something like 7Zip, and then manually upload these files onto your Smoothwall server using Putty, but it is not trivial. Or I can use floppy drives, but who has floppy drives these days?

                        I am now going to look into VShpere virtual floppy drives and hope to use that.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          How did they end up with a limitation like that? That seems crazy.

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