@tim_g said in UrBackup vs Veeam:

I don't think urbackup supports hyperv vss for backing up VMs without downtime. You will need to back up VMs from inside them, as if they are a physical server.

So if you want to back up VMs at the host level, which is a major benefit of virtualization, then you are stuck using a non open source backup solution. If you want free, then you will just have to use the built in Windows Server Backup or hope you are within the limits of the free stuff like Unitrends.

If you have the time to figure out how to get AMANDA to use hyperv vss for example, do share!

Right, it's simple agent only.

Veeam DOES recommended avoiding low end NAS devices, and recommends SAN over NAS because Veeam wants block protocols. These parts are true and we don't need to watch videos as they are available in writing from @Rick-Vanover - we even have the author of the best practices here in the community!

https://www.veeam.com/blog/vmware-backup-repository-configuration-best-practices.html

The keys here are "low end" which is an issue around support. The misleading bit is that NAS means server, so low end servers are every bit affected in the same ways. The QNAP, Synology, ReadyNAS and other such devices are not actually NAS but Unified Storage, SAN as much as NAS. That Veeam recommends SAN instead of NAS is a protocol choice, it does not make those devices any less applicable. We should not be calling them NAS, as that is misleading, they are equally both.

If we really look at the guidance and consider what it could mean, the only real concern is "low end" and low end is always of some concern. Why spend so much on Veeam and Windows licensing and then get cheap on the hardware? You want solid storage hardware and solid support. But nothing here is telling us that there is anything wrong at all with these kinds of devices and certainly the issue is not some kind of corruption caused by the fact that they are in this product category.

@Dashrender said in How Do You Use USB HD for Veeam on Hyper-V:

@scottalanmiller said in How Do You Use USB HD for Veeam on Hyper-V:

@JaredBusch said in How Do You Use USB HD for Veeam on Hyper-V:

Don"t use USB disks.

If you want a USB disk that can be removed, use a NAS with a USB port that can replicate data in a certain folder to the USB.

Or use a NAS with Starwind VTL so that you get the behaviour of tapes. And the protection of RAID.

I'm going to have to look at that

It's a cool product.

Here is a link to what the rest of us missed from VeeamOn 2017 -

https://www.veeam.com/veeamon/product-announcements#announcements-section

Reinstallation fixed it but I don't know why.

@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

@BRRABill said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

@JaredBusch said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

I cannot believe I just read the last few posts.

You should start a thread on SW called "I Can't Even" and post it there.

You are just not helpful. :(

Come on now, it's Monday.

Laugh a little.

@Dashrender said in Deploying Veeam Endpoint Backup on Windows with PDQ Deploy:

I'm not sure where else to mention this, but Chocolately would be another deployment method to consider.

Yes, no native package, though. So we need to make one for it. That would be my personally preferred method, of course.

@scottalanmiller said in Announcing Veeam Backup for Office 365:

@BRRABill said in Announcing Veeam Backup for Office 365:

@scottalanmiller are you going to argue it's not needed, though?

:)

Well I don't plan to use it ;)

LOL.

@stacksofplates said in Are There Veeam Repos for Linux Agent Packages:

@scottalanmiller said in Are There Veeam Repos for Linux Agent Packages:

@stacksofplates I want to check that out too. Is it available for more than RHEL?

Yup. Pretty much everything

Oh nice. Need to spend some time on it.

I'm currently working in the Beta with it. So far, it has been working great!

@mlnews Nice!

Beta 1 has been working great!

Have not seen that, but that sounds awesome.

Looks great !!

Thanks for the doc.

@aaronstuder said:

https://helpcenter.veeam.com/endpoint/15/adhoc_backup_full.html

Not sure if being helpful for future people or didn't read OP...
:P
Yes, that's what I eventually found.

I am currently working on the storage planning for Veeam and found this site http://rps.dewin.me/

@JaredBusch said:

@Dashrender said:

@DenisKelley said:

@Dashrender said:

@DenisKelley said:

@Dashrender said:

@JaredBusch said:

@wrx7m said:

@Dashrender said:

@JaredBusch said:

@Dashrender said:

You create a local backup with Veeam - which of course creates a snap.... and then you do a replication with Veeam from one hypervisor to another? why are you using Veeam to do that instead of the built in hypervisor tools? But that's really beside the point.

Because VMWare.

Doing that clearly makes the server run a snap twice (unless it can be run in a single job). and put strain on the VM host while replicating to the remote site.

Backups run nightly. Not all servers are replicated Replication gives you more restore points throughout the day in addition to the failover capability

How do you get number 3?

It creates replication points? That's not how I've ever understood how replication works.

Veeam 9 offers multiple restore points on replicas -
https://www.veeam.com/vm-advanced-replication.html
under failover and failback section.

Even Hyper-V has this built into replication. You can choose to keep XX number of replication points. Honestly this is not much different than people keeping XX snapshots on the local host for immediate rollback needs.

you can't pick and choose roll backs, if you pick two snaps ago, you loose the one from one snap ago.

See above about replication I just posted. I'm using replication like JB in that I'm just using it for convenient backup not true replication for DR failover. JB may be doing it similarly.

Does that use 12x time disk space of the VM?

Not at all. It similar to Forward incremental. One big file with delta snaps.

Cool feature in Veeam.

Built into every replication system I am aware of.

Pretty much. It's very standard.

@Dashrender said:

@JaredBusch said:

I am not happy with the amount of the increase. I never said a company should not or cannot raise their costs.

Considering my other theory, I'm not surprised with the hike. Happy, maybe not, but surprised, nah!

Another question - how often are you buying new licenses?

And when you compare prices, what beats it?

Nothing beats it yet on price for paid solutions that work with Hyper-V.

Unitrends free is a possibility for this particular client.

Veeam support is now from India :(

@JaredBusch said:

@DenisKelley said:

If you are trying to use Veeam, the standard setup would to have a server running a second copy of Veeam B&R at the target site. You'll link the two and configure the replicas. You do not need to purchase a second Veeam license to do this, but you will need a running B&R at the DR site.

That was my understanding of how it works, but it has been almost two years since I talked to Veeam about it.

With what I've seen with v9, you now can do full failover scripted ahead of time to make it a bit more turn-key during a disaster.

Guess I will cross-post on SW.

http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1368875-vcenter-server-6-on-windows-2012-r2-backup-using-veeam-8

@Dashrender I believe first is the VBR's actual license and another is a support package you can buy it addition to the first one.

@Reid-Cooper said:

@MattSpeller said:

@Reid-Cooper said:

@BRRABill Can't be more than $2!! Right? Memory at that size is so freaking cheap!! Seems like 2GB would be a more logical minimum size.

$2 multiplied by 500,000 units - not going to happen lol

You can easily charge $3 for that kind of upgrade, though!!

Then how do you upgrade them to the WD My Cloud EX5? ;)

@JaredBusch Sorry, I've missed the point. You can install VEB in unattended mode thru any distribution solution you have on board. Check this article, however, the problem of configuration remains as it has to be performed manually after the installation

How did they end up with a limitation like that? That seems crazy.

I agree from what I know of your setup.

@JaredBusch You're welcome. If any assistance with scripting is needed, feel free to reach me either here or on our community forums.

http://forums.veeam.com/

Thanks.