@scottalanmiller said in Is Real Estate Actually a Good Investment on Average?:

@Dashrender said in Is Real Estate Actually a Good Investment on Average?:

@Pete-S said in Is Real Estate Actually a Good Investment on Average?:

@Dashrender said in Is Real Estate Actually a Good Investment on Average?:

@scottalanmiller said in Is Real Estate Actually a Good Investment on Average?:

@Dashrender said in Is Real Estate Actually a Good Investment on Average?:

is that where most rentals have come from?

Most rentals existed long before 2008. The rental market has always been very large.

Oh, I'm sure it's been longer than 2008 - but when? When did mass rentals enter the scene?
I guess they really started in the beginning when companies built factory based towns. The company built the houses for their employees so they would have some place to live. etc.

A really long time ago (in the US). Most people used to be renters but after WW2 the majority have been homeowners.

Right now (2022) it's sits at around 65%.

Data is from U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.
https://www.huduser.gov/portal/Publications/pdf/HUD-7775.pdf

lol - it was almost the majority for the first half of the chart... the increase is way under 50% increase after the war.

By "almost the majority" you mean it was the clear minority? Almost the majority is a very, very weird way to stay that renting was the absolute dominant option up until 1950.

I do not agree with you, Scott.
I think that "almost the majority" is very legit term 45%-48% and this subject (housing). These are not presidential elections so that you have "loser" with 47,8%.

It is not weird to say that 47,8% is "almost the majority" especially when you take into account that many people are forced to be renters.

@irj said in Windows 11 auto upgrade?:

Yeah. I have windows 10 on my home pc with auto updates and it only asks me if I want to upgrade. It never forces me or does it without my consent.

But if you do not give consent, it will update without your consent anyway (after some time)
You just can't stop updates on Windows 10, only delay it for some time.

@scottalanmiller said in Active Directory Domain name:

For a long time, we used "niagara" which was always just a short form of any name that we ever had.

Does NTG still uses Active Directory in its business?

@jasgot said in CAL Counting:

@dashrender said in CAL Counting:

exactly - if they are, then the techs will be covered by your device licenses - if not, you'll need another device license for every machine they will attempt to log in from.

Or get User CALs for the techs that roam.

You cannot combine user RDS CALs with device RDS CALs on same system.

@obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

@jaredbusch said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

@mlnews the closer you are to the equator, the worse the rise in sea level. No idea the time line though.

Probably because all the spinning pushes it out there.

What spinning? Dumbass round eather’s thinking shit spins.

You mean flat-Earthers?

No.
Flat-earthers know that Earth is flat.
Dumbass round-earthers think that earth spins

@jaredbusch said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:

@mlnews the closer you are to the equator, the worse the rise in sea level. No idea the time line though.

Probably because all the spinning pushes it out there.

What spinning? Dumbass round eather’s thinking shit spins.

Spinning does not make noticeable difference.
Only 0,33%. If rise close to notrh pole is 30cm, on eqautor it should be 30.1cm
(I know I'm 9 days late with this comment )

@irj said in XCP-NG installation on windows server:

You really shouldn't be booting for USB, and should be using a hypervisor even if it's hyper V (which isn't the best IMO, but still 100x better than booting from USB).
Once you get the hypervisor up and running then you can start creating VMs from it and get up and running.

I don't know what are you trying to say?
@perja11 is trying to install XCP-NG as hypervisor, so it's OK to boot from USB (and install on baremetal)

@irj I would go with 2x16GB in dual channel mode so that you can have better memory performance.

Performance impact will depend on what your workload is,

We put single stick in desktops where performance is not important, but if you go with Ryzen 5000, I would go with dual-channel.

@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

@Mario-Jakovina said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

2. We lost few subfolders (>700files) that we can't find in "Deleted files" which is terrible experience for us, and we will reconsider our usage of Nextcloud (I plan to open another topic for that). We recovered from backup.

Options:

1. Files are in another folder, moved by random_user_03, thus not in trash.
2. Files were deleted, and trash emptied by malicious_user_06.

What I'm afraid of is:
Option 3. - Some bug in Nextcloud that deleted our files or lost track of files that users accidentaly moved...

@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

@Mario-Jakovina said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

2. We lost few subfolders (>700files) that we can't find in "Deleted files" which is terrible experience for us, and we will reconsider our usage of Nextcloud (I plan to open another topic for that). We recovered from backup.

Options:

1. Files are in another folder, moved by random_user_03, thus not in trash.
2. Files were deleted, and trash emptied by malicious_user_06.

Option 1. - We can't find missing files/folders niether in local Nextcloud folders nor online?
Option 2. - As I said, technicaly possible, but hard to believe in our case

@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

@Mario-Jakovina said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

2. We lost few subfolders (>700files) that we can't find in "Deleted files" which is terrible experience for us, and we will reconsider our usage of Nextcloud (I plan to open another topic for that). We recovered from backup.

In some ways, this is horrible. But in others, it's amazing. You are able to simply backup and recovery. Taking an external backup of most cloud services is hard or impossible. We had Microsoft "accidentally" delete loads of data from our OneDrive and neither could they recovery by rewinding nor did they have backups to recover from! And they were the ones that lost them while doing unauthorized work on our system!

So while it's awful that NextCloud doesn't have a convenient way to get back from a major loss, it's amazing that they have an inconvenient way to recover because not everyone does.

OK, I agree, backup of Dropbox is "hard or impossible" with multiple users.
I didn't thought about that advantage of Nextcloud. We will need to see how practical is "recovery from backup".
"Rewind" feature in Dropox is very practical to use. However, it is not backup.

@JasGot said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

@JasGot said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

@Mario-Jakovina said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

@DustinB3403 Thank you.
I must say that I am a bit disappointed with Nextcloud. This should be normal feature.
We already had few serious issues with it (bugs with mainstream Intel GPU never solved etc.) but we switched to it due to pricing advantage.
However, I can't say it is as reliable as Dropbox, so far.

What does Nextcloud cost?

Totally free. We run it here, too.

I know. That's my point. We manage about 40 NextCloud installations for our customers.

As you answered to me earlier, your point was that Nextcloud is free, so I should not expect features like Dropbox has

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Got our stimulus check and it is.... postdated.

Seriously USA?

Do you mean paper checks (that you take to bank to take cash...)?
Why do you still use paper checks? We here don't use it for 10+ years at least (Croatia/EU)

@Pete-S said in Nextcloud experience:

We use Zoho Workdrive and the smallest package is 2 EUR / user / month. That would be 80 EUR / month for 40 users and you'd have 4TB of storage space to share.
Files are local from the users perspective so nothing for them to do besides their usual work.

ZohoDrive sounds fine (5x cheaper then Dropbox)
Is it functionaly different from Dropbox/Nextcloud?
Nextcloud/Dropbox is also "local from user perspective" so I don't understand what you mean by that?

@Pete-S said in Nextcloud experience:

In this case I think a cloud service with no local fileservers and data replication directly to the users local drives makes a lot more sense than Nextcloud.

What is this "cloud service" that does "data replication directly to the users local drives" if Nextcloud is not that? We use local fileservers just to decrease number of file conflicts.

@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud experience:

@Mario-Jakovina said in Nextcloud experience:

Do you have experience with usage of this size (180.000 files, 40 users, many group folders) and do they have similar problems?

We have about that many users, but far fewer files, here internally. We've had people accidentally delete things similarly, but on a smaller scale. They were able to recovery from the "Trash Bin" method, in that example case.

Number of our files is ridiculous. Together with Dropbox, that we still use, we have almost 300.000 files.
We probably need to reorganize our use, sort old files if they need to be archived, and identify and delete old junk files. But we also don't have organizational experience with how to organize this "cleaning" and how to establish system to avoid clutter in future.

I will try to answer most of your questions in one post:

@JasGot said in Nextcloud experience:

Are you using NextCloud as a backup? If not, where is your backup?

Nextcloud is not backup. We have backup of it stored in Dropbox. However earlier when we used Dropbox,it was easier to undo accidental deletes (mostly accidental moves) then to restore files from backups. We have recovered now from backups, but I'm worried about what happened in Nextcloud.

@Dashrender said in Nextcloud experience:

huh - you sync 96 GB of data to 40 users for mainly offline use? And you don't have conflict issues (more than one person editing a file while offline?
Plus - MAN, that's a lot of data to replicate everywhere.

Users used to notice conflicts and solved them. Unfortunately they have not used to use files online (mostly becuse they used to use offline MSOffice, and in some cases it was a requirement becuase of VBA macros)
We do not sync all files with all accounts, of course not.

@Dashrender said in Nextcloud experience:

Is the expectation of these 4 sites to use the files in an online state? Is the setup this way because of need/desire for faster access?

On these 4 sites, Linux fileservers serve Nextcloud group folders as local SMB shares, and they also sync them to Nextcloud so that users outside of LAN can see them or edit them if they need. It is setup this way because we had unreliable internet until few years ago, and because of VBA macros that we need to use offline...

@Dashrender said in Nextcloud experience:

Yeah I get all that - though my question is - how many of those files really need to sync back to the PCs?
I'm also interested in learning about your setup - you seem to have the NC sync client on all 40 endpoints, but then you also have sync clients on these four servers. Do they sync different data? Is the server sync'ed data only available to the users when they are in the office accessing the local share? Also, why is that data synced to NC? is that the backup? or at least one part of it? These four servers - is the data the same on all four? your description didn't seem to make that case - it appears that each server has it's own account, and it's own respective data for that location.

Yes, we have 40 users/accounts and four of them are servers. Yes they all sync at least partly different data, but most data are used by more then one user/account/endpoint (some have read only access, some can write/delete...).
Data that servers sync, are accessible by some people from other sites or laptops.
Yes, all servers have own account and it's own data, but they hold their "local" data in their "group folder" in Nextcloud. But those group folders are also accessible to at least some other Nextcloud users (that's why they need to be synced). We also have some local folders that do not to be synced, and they are not in Nextcloud

We also had few serious issues with NC's client for Windows.

1. Client app did not worked on Intel UHD graphics for almost 2 years (solved after some Windows update, but Google and Dropbox clients never had that issue)
2. Client app stop syncing after each change of wifi/LAN network (neede to be manually restarted)

These issues are solved late last year, but toghether with these new issues, I am afraid to rely on NC now.

Hello everybody!
A month ago, we decided to move our shared files to Nextcloud (mostly from Dropbox)
We partially used NC for almost 2 years with few users (first installed on premise, later hosted).
Now we moved all 40 users, with 181.000 files (ca. 96GB of data).
Most files are in group folders, not personal.
We mostly use NC offline (with Linux and Windows clients), not online .
On 4 of our sites, we have fileservers that are registered as NC users, and their NC folders are shared in local LANs.

Last week we somehow lost 3 group folders with >2.000 files and we had trouble with restoring files. (https://mangolassi.it/topic/22897/nextcloud-how-to-restore-many-deleted-files/43)

We have following important issues that we have not noticed in our test period with few users:

1. Some subfolders are deleted, and we can't find them in "Deleted files" in NC (theoreticaly possible that somebody used "Delete permanently" after deletion, but hghly unlikely that that happened)
2. Online Search function in NC, does not work for some users (and work for others on same PC/browser)
3. There is now way to easy restore large number of (accidentaly) deleted files in NC (like we used to in Dropbox) - discussed in linked thread above)

We need to reconsider our choice of Nextcloud.

What is your experience with Nextcloud?
Do you have experience with usage of this size (180.000 files, 40 users, many group folders) and do they have similar problems?
Do you have similar problems or better experience with Dropbox, Onedrive, Google Backup and Sync... (with usage on this scale)?

@Mario-Jakovina said in Nextcloud - how to restore many deleted files:

Question: Is there a way to simply restore many files at once in Nextcloud (but not entire history of deleted files)?

Just for the record, here is my conclusion and experience with this topic, so far.
The problem was:

• 3 group folders (>2.000 files) were somehow deleted from our Nextcloud
• we suspect it's user error, but we don't have proof of that

Our conclusion is
1. Nextcloud does not have an option to restore many accidentaly deleted files. You can select individual files/folders to restore, all "Select all" (meaning whole history) and restore it. For example, Dropbox have two options for this: a) "Rewind this folder" to get everything back as it was, and b) When you delete many fils at once, you can select does "events" with single click and restore many files at once
2. We lost few subfolders (>700files) that we can't find in "Deleted files" which is terrible experience for us, and we will reconsider our usage of Nextcloud (I plan to open another topic for that). We recovered from backup.

Thanks to everybody who contributed to this topic!