Hours I work/PTO



  • Man, I would love to go to this. But I don't get PTO, let alone paid travel to super awesome conventions.



  • @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Man, I would love to go to this. But I don't get PTO, let alone paid travel to super awesome conventions.

    How many (unpaid) vacation days do you get a year? Don't many Americans get something like four?



  • @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Man, I would love to go to this. But I don't get PTO, let alone paid travel to super awesome conventions.

    You get zero PTO?



  • @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Man, I would love to go to this. But I don't get PTO, let alone paid travel to super awesome conventions.

    Here is an idea... schedule MangoCon and just make sure that you have a new job before then. Easy peasy.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Man, I would love to go to this. But I don't get PTO, let alone paid travel to super awesome conventions.

    You get zero PTO?

    You got it. It's made very clear I can't work more than 30 hours while in school so as not to have the company pay for things like insurance or PTO. Once I'm not in school, THEN I can work 40 hours/week... even though I am easily able to work 40 right now, but finishing the day at like 7pm instead of 5.

    Not sure how being in school and working 40/wk is any different than not being in school and working 40/wk...



  • @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Man, I would love to go to this. But I don't get PTO, let alone paid travel to super awesome conventions.

    Here is an idea... schedule MangoCon and just make sure that you have a new job before then. Easy peasy.

    Lol is that assuming the new employer for travel... or at least some PTO that I haven't yet built up? 🙂



  • @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Man, I would love to go to this. But I don't get PTO, let alone paid travel to super awesome conventions.

    You get zero PTO?

    I actually had to cancel a vacation to see a friend in Deadwood, SD. Haven't saw him in quite some time. He's an IT manager at a couple casinos and has some really awesome hookups. But the amount of lost wages over a couple weeks would be painful.



  • Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!



  • @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Man, I would love to go to this. But I don't get PTO, let alone paid travel to super awesome conventions.

    You get zero PTO?

    You got it. It's made very clear I can't work more than 30 hours while in school so as not to have the company pay for things like insurance or PTO. Once I'm not in school, THEN I can work 40 hours/week... even though I am easily able to work 40 right now, but finishing the day at like 7pm instead of 5.

    Not sure how being in school and working 40/wk is any different than not being in school and working 40/wk...

    Are you considered a Full or part time student?



  • @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!

    Mostly definitely, in America. Most people get no vacation days or sick days at all, as in there's no "at least" amount, it's zero from the beginning and hopefully your boss approves of either. Then again, in America, even lunch and bathroom breaks are not legally enforced AFAIK in most states, if any.



  • @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Is zero PTO legal? even for a part time employee? Damn you're totally getting screwed bro!

    Generally, yes. There are very few places with laws that require it.



  • @tonyshowoff said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Then again, in America, even lunch and bathroom breaks are not legally enforced AFAIK in most states, if any.

    They really are, but there is this cultural thing where people who are due them all believe that they are not so don't do anything about it.



  • Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.

    Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).

    Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.

    My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).



  • @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @tonyshowoff said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Then again, in America, even lunch and bathroom breaks are not legally enforced AFAIK in most states, if any.

    They really are, but there is this cultural thing where people who are due them all believe that they are not so don't do anything about it.

    Yeah I was thinking that lunch and breaks for hourly employees actually are required.. but employees are so fearful for their jobs, they don't tattle.



  • @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @tonyshowoff said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Then again, in America, even lunch and bathroom breaks are not legally enforced AFAIK in most states, if any.

    They really are, but there is this cultural thing where people who are due them all believe that they are not so don't do anything about it.

    Yeah I was thinking that lunch and breaks for hourly employees actually are required.. but employees are so fearful for their jobs, they don't tattle.

    It's by state. In NY they are super strict.



  • @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.

    Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).

    Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.

    My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).

    I never have either. Not even fast food, hotels, grocery stores... nothing.



  • @gjacobse said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Man, I would love to go to this. But I don't get PTO, let alone paid travel to super awesome conventions.

    You get zero PTO?

    You got it. It's made very clear I can't work more than 30 hours while in school so as not to have the company pay for things like insurance or PTO. Once I'm not in school, THEN I can work 40 hours/week... even though I am easily able to work 40 right now, but finishing the day at like 7pm instead of 5.

    Not sure how being in school and working 40/wk is any different than not being in school and working 40/wk...

    Are you considered a Full or part time student?

    Full time student, part time employee. 30 hours a week for work, 20 hours a week for school (for credit hours... homework typically adds another 10-15 hours a week).



  • @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.

    Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).

    Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.

    My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).

    ...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.



  • @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.

    Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).

    Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.

    My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).

    ...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.

    That's generally the case. It's all generally, though, of course.



  • I have no paid time off. I do have a completely flexible schedule to work what i want to work, when I want to work it though.

    I took more $/hour instead of set PTO like 2 weeks per year and shit.



  • @JaredBusch said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    I took more $/hour instead of set PTO like 2 weeks per year and shit.

    I did that for a long time, too. But I've only seen it for people at high income levels where it is totally their decision and they are paid in such a way that it is VERY clear that they make money enough to pay for them to take time off when they need. Very different for high earners than for, say, factory workers. Even with me "zero PTO" I was given months of vacation when things were slow.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Even with me "zero PTO" I was given months of vacation when things were slow.

    Does this mean you paid you during this slow time and you were on vacation? Because you weren't really on vacation, but oncall?



  • @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Even with me "zero PTO" I was given months of vacation when things were slow.

    Does this mean you paid you during this slow time and you were on vacation? Because you weren't really on vacation, but oncall?

    Just, you know... paid. Like when my daughter was born, they just told me to stop calling into work (for weeks.) Or when I was in Europe they wanted me to just... stop responding.



  • @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.

    Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).

    Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.

    My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).

    ...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.

    Sounds like you just need a new employer. But, the flexibility for your classes might not exist, so perhaps you're stuck. It sounds like they are paying you a good wage though, at least you seem to think it's good.

    As for your condition where you refuse to allow you to work 40 hours (30 is actually considered full time in many states and assuming they provide benefits like paid vacation time and health insurance, you would be entitled to that - personally I'd visit your city's business affairs office (or whatever it's called) and ask what the city/state requirements for employers is. And if you want to push it... inform the state and watch how things change. though the company sounds so horrible, it's just as likely that they will reduce your hours further to get you under the requirements. But your sacrifice would be good for the other employees.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Even with me "zero PTO" I was given months of vacation when things were slow.

    Does this mean you paid you during this slow time and you were on vacation? Because you weren't really on vacation, but oncall?

    Just, you know... paid. Like when my daughter was born, they just told me to stop calling into work (for weeks.) Or when I was in Europe they wanted me to just... stop responding.

    After my second daughter was born, I had people calling while I was at the hospital to fix stuff, and even some idiot gave a customer my private cellphone number so they could call and pester me about some dumb ass accounting software that wasn't working just right. Nobody's business was in jeopardy. I told the customer I had to go, I was busy, they even could hear the baby crying in the background and said "oh, sorry you're busy but I need..." like damn woman. When I got back I fired the guy who gave them my phone number, something nobody is supposed to do, and also fired the other guy who kept calling me. I don't dish out that garbage and I sure as hell don't take it.

    By the way, all of this was solved by a third employee who just re-created a missing drive linked to a network share, he got a bonus for not only figuring it out, but others told me that he was telling them how to fix it, he was just working on another customer. He even told them not to bother me it was inappropriate. He worked for me for years after that until he wanted to move on to other things, great employee, top notch.



  • @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    As for your condition where you refuse to allow you to work 40 hours (30 is actually considered full time in many states....

    Or 50 in most states for white collar workers.



  • @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @BBigford said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @Dashrender said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Glad I've never worked in a shit whole company like that.

    Even the retail companies I've worked for never did crap like that. Every employee received PTO, a minimum of 2 weeks of whatever the average number of hours you work in a week (not sure where that average came from when you've been there less than a year).

    Sick time is something that I don't think I've ever had - it's all just PTO, all lumped together, take it how you need it.

    My current employer gives three weeks from day one (but it's on an accrual basis, so you don't actually have any PTO on the books until after the first pay period).

    ...and that is why I'd love to work outside the USA. Common consensus is the average US company is not the greatest to work for in comparison to the average company in the UK or Canada. Never worked outside the US before so I have no opinion on that. I just know I've never been happy with any company I work for.

    Sounds like you just need a new employer. But, the flexibility for your classes might not exist, so perhaps you're stuck. It sounds like they are paying you a good wage though, at least you seem to think it's good.

    As for your condition where you refuse to allow you to work 40 hours (30 is actually considered full time in many states and assuming they provide benefits like paid vacation time and health insurance, you would be entitled to that - personally I'd visit your city's business affairs office (or whatever it's called) and ask what the city/state requirements for employers is. And if you want to push it... inform the state and watch how things change. though the company sounds so horrible, it's just as likely that they will reduce your hours further to get you under the requirements. But your sacrifice would be good for the other employees.

    Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?



  • @coliver said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?

    Yeah, I've never found one. NY and California support the 50 hour standard, which sucks.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @coliver said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?

    Yeah, I've never found one. NY and California support the 50 hour standard, which sucks.

    I know several businesses that do 50 hours but they do have to pay 10 hours of overtime.



  • @coliver said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @scottalanmiller said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    @coliver said in Boss I want to go to MangoCon....:

    Out of curiosity what states have a 30 hour work week?

    Yeah, I've never found one. NY and California support the 50 hour standard, which sucks.

    I know several businesses that do 50 hours but they do have to pay 10 hours of overtime.

    That's on the case if they pay low. Most white collar jobs just expect 50 hours and that's that. And the law supports that, it's the standard work week. It's actually called the "professional week".


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