Axigen X Released
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@axigen said:
Also I'd note that this initial thread here is not started by us. We were invited by @aaronstuder. I hoped that this would be a constructive conversation.
I appreciate that, but neither he nor you have been constructive. A simple question was asked and zero positive responses, only attacks on people here or on open source as an ideology.
Start by posting some positive information instead of attacks and we can start from there.
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@axigen said:
@DustinB3403 said:
Is axigen supposed to be a competitor to O365?
The server side runs on Linux and management / support is provided by Axigen?
Axigen does not compete with O356. We are a software company providing a software product that can be used on multiple operating systems by business and service providers alike.
So, for example, competing with Exchange, Zimbra, and the like? Software, not services.
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@axigen said:
@DustinB3403 said:
Is axigen supposed to be a competitor to O365?
The server side runs on Linux and management / support is provided by Axigen?
Axigen does not compete with O356. We are a software company providing a software product that can be used on multiple operating systems by business and service providers alike.
So give me some comparatives between Axigen and O365 as so far I'm not seeing to many reasons.
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@aaronstuder said:
@axigen provides:
Easy Setup
Easy Administration
Support
Windows and LinuxOkay, so do lots of email systems. The question would be...
Given that these are available ubiquitously, does it do one or more of these better than most everyone else? Or does it do something additional that everyone else does not do?
Those aren't selling points, really. They are good to have, but give what is on the market does all of that for free, what's the additional benefit? Have you used it personally? If so, why? What did you compare it against?
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@axigen said:
A closed source brings various benefits: Commercial Support (in various levels), Managed Services, On-demand integrations, Professional Services, etc.
Here are the statements to retract. You call these benefits of closed source which means, as there is no other possibility, that open source cannot have them (or they would not be benefits to closed source.) But open source very clearly and obviously has all of these equally. Just look at Red Hat products. Are you claiming that Red Hat has been lying about providing these services and that I am lying about having received them?
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Linux with Zimbra is not hosted, so not even in consideration.
How is it not hosted? You can install Zimbra on a linux hosted VM, just like anything else.....
Do you think that when you get Office 365 that they just give you a download link to Exchange and that they expect you to go to Azure and set up a VM and run Exchange on your own? You can do that with Exchange, but that is called non-hosted Exchange. Hosted Exchange means that MS runs Exchange for you, rather than you doing it yourself.
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So is Axigen supposed to be a hosted solution that I would configure and setup my self on a Axigen server as a VM?
How does the user licensing come into play? I need details to understand what this offers me.
With O365 I'm paying for a service based solely on the number of users I need, and I don't have to manage a remote or local server.
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We tried to synthesize the top 10 benefits that we see in our product/services mix here: https://www.axigen.com/usr/files/Why-Choose-Axigen.pdf
The list is high-level and incomplete but, for skimming purposes, it is a good start.
@scottalanmiller and @Service-Providers would love to receive your feedback.
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@DustinB3403 said:
So is Axigen supposed to be a hosted solution that I would configure and setup my self on a Axigen server as a VM?
No, it is normal software, as we originally thought. Not hosted.
Although you could, I'm sure, find a hosting partner for it that is not Axigen directly.
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@axigen said:
We tried to synthesize the top 10 benefits that we see in our product/services mix here: https://www.axigen.com/usr/files/Why-Choose-Axigen.pdf
The list is high-level and incomplete but, for skimming purposes, it is a good start.
@scottalanmiller and @Service-Providers would love to receive your feedback.
Before I read this, I do want to point out that I noticed the 100% Europe bit, which I totally appreciate as a reason why it strongly competes on security concerns with other proprietary products. Made in the USA is a scary thing, even moreso recently.
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@axigen said:
Also I'd note that this initial thread here is not started by us. We were invited by @aaronstuder. I hoped that this would be a constructive conversation.
I hoped so too, but clearly @scottalanmiller likes to bash a product BEFORE he even tries if for himself. Also, I was hoping that @axigen might be a good vendor for @groovesocial to have, but with @scottalanmiller running people off not sure how that will happen now
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@DustinB3403 said:
How does the user licensing come into play? I need details to understand what this offers me.
Would be the same way that it does with Exchange, more or less. If you are deploying locally (or in a VM hosted on IaaS) you need a license for each user, basically a CAL. Nothing odd there.
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@aaronstuder said:
@axigen said:
Also I'd note that this initial thread here is not started by us. We were invited by @aaronstuder. I hoped that this would be a constructive conversation.
I hoped so too, but clearly @scottalanmiller likes to bash a product BEFORE he even tries if for himself. Also, I was hoping that @axigen might be a good vendor for @groovesocial to have, but with @scottalanmiller running people off not sure how that will happen now
I didn't bash it, I asked why you felt it was good. That's not the same. I pointed out that looking at the web site I saw nothing compelling and wanted to know what I should be looking for as the benefits were non-obvious.
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@scottalanmiller said:
But not open source, what's the selling point? Why would you want an alternative to the value, benefits, security and protection of open source?
Here is my initial post. The web page showed nothing of specific value and only listed that it was an alternative to things with their own benefits from their licensing. So I was unclear where the benefit was. I'm about to go read their reference for that, but this wasn't even slightly bashing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
No, it is normal software, as we originally thought. Not hosted.
You are right @scottalanmiller. On the other hand, we do have also a "hosting"-like business but it is dedicated to large SPs that want a hybrid on-premies / Managed Services / license mix. The offer is a little more complex to be summarized here.
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@scottalanmiller said:
So my main question is... taking a quick glance at this product it falls into the "who cares" category for me. I see nothing good about it on the surface and nothing to cause me to look any deeper. What's the proposed value? It's up against software that is fully free, way safer to use and has huge user bases and decades of refinement. What made you look at this software and not immediately browse away?
Here's the next thing that I said of any substance. Again, no bashing at all. I was clarifying that I looked, didn't see what had compelled you, and was looking for why you felt it was worth more investigation given that it has a licensing negative and is not free - which its competitors mostly are.
Very far from bashing. The only real "bashing" would be from the lack of a response as to why it has benefits.
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So, @aaronstuder , I take it you work for Axigen? I know the vendor badges here are voluntary, but it's kinda dickish to promote a product while pretending to not be a vendor....
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@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
No, it is normal software, as we originally thought. Not hosted.
You are right @scottalanmiller. On the other hand, we do have also a "hosting"-like business but it is dedicated to large SPs that want a hybrid on-premies / Managed Services / license mix. The offer is a little more complex to be summarized here.
Makes sense.... sounds like sort of a "hosting in conjunction with..." sort of thing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
So is Axigen supposed to be a hosted solution that I would configure and setup my self on a Axigen server as a VM?
No, it is normal software, as we originally thought. Not hosted.
Although you could, I'm sure, find a hosting partner for it that is not Axigen directly.
So I'd have to run this locally.... and
@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
How does the user licensing come into play? I need details to understand what this offers me.
Would be the same way that it does with Exchange, more or less. If you are deploying locally (or in a VM hosted on IaaS) you need a license for each user, basically a CAL. Nothing odd there.
I'd have to maintain a server, and backup for this server and email. O365 seems a lot less work on my part...
What is the licensing cost?
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@RojoLoco said:
So, @aaronstuder , I take it you work for Axigen? I know the vendor badges here are voluntary, but it's kinda dickish to promote a product while pretending to not be a vendor....
He doesn't, I agree that it sounded that way, but I know that he doesn't work for them. He might be a customer, but not an employee.
