Linux Thin Clients
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@RojoLoco said:
@scottalanmiller said:
There might be a use case where a non-profit could use $1,100 workstations, but it would be super rare and definitely any standardization around that signals corruption.
Hey, as long as they don't call it "profit", any and all extra moneys get to go home with those deal makers! It's gotta go somewhere, and if we leave it sitting around, it will spoil.... right?
The business model around here is don't spend anything and then spend everything. It's counter-intuitive. The more we give back the less we can justify next year. Even with giving back money though they never say yes to things we actually need. I can't really defend it so imagine I just nodded in agreement with you.
That's all fine.. but that means your idea of saving them money or even giving a presentation on how to save money isn't valuable as the goal is to waste it, not to save it. They already have a way to save a ton of money that they are avoiding to justify getting more money from wherever they get it. Fine, so that makes your proposal and project go against the interests of the business.
My first responsibility is to improve everything, which I am trying to do. They say no to everything throughout the year and then yes to everything at the end. I'm just going to capitalize on that to make things better and do my job. I wish I had more control. I'm working entirely without a budget at the mercy of people who don't understand what is required but think they do.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
Also, what thin/zero client computer do you recommend purchasing? We currently spend about $1100 per workstation but it shouldn't be one type of desktop for all purposes.
This isn't a useful number as a machine that is fully capable of being a great end node would only be several hundred dollars. Even enterprise desktops with Windows 10 Pro OEM would likely be under $500. So thinking of workstations in terms of $1,100 is very misleading. That's more than my gaming rig!!
I must just be over buying. The last HP EliteDesk 8300 G1s from 2 years ago cost me $800 for Windows 8.1 Pro with an i5, 4 GB of RAM and 500 GB HDD, and 3 year warranty. And I still needed to add a monitor on top of that.
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@wirestyle22 said:
My first responsibility is to improve everything, which I am trying to do.
That goes against the "I can improve things but someone else has the veto power that improvements are the mission." You already had the opportunity to improve things but aren't allowed to. So while someone might have told you in words that that is your job, their policies make it very clear that that statement was untrue.
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@Dashrender said:
I must just be over buying. The last HP EliteDesk 8300 G1s from 2 years ago cost me $800 for Windows 8.1 Pro with an i5, 4 GB of RAM and 500 GB HDD, and 3 year warranty. And I still needed to add a monitor on top of that.
Most SMBs over buy, but $800 isn't bad. That's a HUGE percentage less than $1,100. And you are NOT a non-profit. And you DO have imaging and similar needs. $800 is like 40% less!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
My first responsibility is to improve everything, which I am trying to do.
That goes against the "I can improve things but someone else has the veto power that improvements are the mission." You already had the opportunity to improve things but aren't allowed to. So while someone might have told you in words that that is your job, their policies make it very clear that that statement was untrue.
If you give me a ruleset I'm going to do everything I can to use it to my advantage within my moral and legal boundaries.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
My first responsibility is to improve everything, which I am trying to do.
That goes against the "I can improve things but someone else has the veto power that improvements are the mission." You already had the opportunity to improve things but aren't allowed to. So while someone might have told you in words that that is your job, their policies make it very clear that that statement was untrue.
If you give me a ruleset I'm going to do everything I can to use it to my advantage within my moral and legal boundaries
Which is exactly why you should be thriving in a private company that works for profit.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@RojoLoco said:
@wirestyle22 all that is just part of the reason I'd never work at a non profit.
Same here, I actively avoid them. I believe that they are conceptually corrupt and have no place in an ethical society. If they were regulated to the point that they could be nothing but vehicles for organizing for-profit services to meet the goals of the non-profit that would be one thing. But being able to have staff I think is wrong and should not be allowed. It's why I don't donate and don't support any taxes going to non-profits. If they believed in their mission they'd be for profit.
To this end, a local non-profit hospital had to build another hospital so they could spend their "non-profits" instead of lowering prices. We now have a 96 bed hospital that sits 80-90% empty because we don't need it.
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@wirestyle22 said:
If you give me a ruleset I'm going to do everything I can to use it to my advantage within my moral and legal boundaries
Doing things to YOUR advantage would result in actions such as these:
- Doing as little work as you can get away with.
- Taking kickbacks (not moral by most standards, but moral by the standards of most non-profit managers)
- Doing nothing to rock the boat or risk exposing the corruption of others or of the system
- Keep your head down and hide.
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@RojoLoco said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
My first responsibility is to improve everything, which I am trying to do.
That goes against the "I can improve things but someone else has the veto power that improvements are the mission." You already had the opportunity to improve things but aren't allowed to. So while someone might have told you in words that that is your job, their policies make it very clear that that statement was untrue.
If you give me a ruleset I'm going to do everything I can to use it to my advantage within my moral and legal boundaries
Which is exactly why you should be thriving in a private company that works for profit.
My strength is not immediately apparent unfortunately. On paper my experience looks strong but my education is lacking. Unfortunately, before SAM gets in here saying certs are stupid, every employer here is looking for certs and very, very specific experience. I'm not making excuses. I have applications out there. What's hard is differentiating myself from a name on a piece of paper. Once I get the interview I also have issues with the random questions they ask me. I have received a lot of good advice on here in regards to that though and I'm specifically going to job interviews to practice.
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@wirestyle22 said:
My strength is not immediately apparent unfortunately. On paper my experience looks strong but my education is lacking. Unfortunately, before SAM gets in here saying certs are stupid, every employer here is looking for certs and very, very specific experience.
What kinds of employers are these? What certs are they looking for?
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@wirestyle22 said:
@RojoLoco said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
My first responsibility is to improve everything, which I am trying to do.
That goes against the "I can improve things but someone else has the veto power that improvements are the mission." You already had the opportunity to improve things but aren't allowed to. So while someone might have told you in words that that is your job, their policies make it very clear that that statement was untrue.
If you give me a ruleset I'm going to do everything I can to use it to my advantage within my moral and legal boundaries
Which is exactly why you should be thriving in a private company that works for profit.
My strength is not immediately apparent unfortunately. On paper my experience looks strong but my education is lacking. Unfortunately, before SAM gets in here saying certs are stupid, every employer here is looking for certs and very, very specific experience. I'm not making excuses. I have applications out there. What's hard is differentiating myself from a name on a piece of paper. Once I get the interview I also have issues with the random questions they ask me. I have received a lot of good advice on here in regards to that though and I'm specifically going to job interviews to practice.
That's definitely a good start, but actively avoid applying at schools, hospitals, and non profits. That is the road to nowhere.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I must just be over buying. The last HP EliteDesk 8300 G1s from 2 years ago cost me $800 for Windows 8.1 Pro with an i5, 4 GB of RAM and 500 GB HDD, and 3 year warranty. And I still needed to add a monitor on top of that.
Most SMBs over buy, but $800 isn't bad. That's a HUGE percentage less than $1,100. And you are NOT a non-profit. And you DO have imaging and similar needs. $800 is like 40% less!
yeah, but $500 is 40% less than that. I could give up 2 years worth of warranty and move to a ProDesk 400MT for $599 for an i5, with 4 GB RAM
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
My strength is not immediately apparent unfortunately. On paper my experience looks strong but my education is lacking. Unfortunately, before SAM gets in here saying certs are stupid, every employer here is looking for certs and very, very specific experience.
What kinds of employers are these? What certs are they looking for?
It depends on the job but most recently it's been an associates degree in computer science, which doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a programmer and you aren't hiring a programmer.
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@Dashrender said:
yeah, but $500 is 40% less than that. I could give up 2 years worth of warranty and move to a ProDesk 400MT for $599 for an i5, with 4 GB RAM
Sure, but you aren't comparing against thin clients.
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@wirestyle22 said:
It depends on the job but most recently it's been an associates degree in computer science, which doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a programmer and you aren't hiring a programmer.
CS isn't for programmers. It is for algorithmic researchers. Programmers get IT degrees.
It makes no sense and tells you instantly that you talking to a company without the slightest idea or concern about IT. It's a garbage job requirement, often fake, and a great way to improve your job searches by eliminating those places from consideration. You aren't desperate or starving, focus on real and/or good jobs instead.
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Think of it like this...
Programming is to engineering as CS is to a physicist.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
yeah, but $500 is 40% less than that. I could give up 2 years worth of warranty and move to a ProDesk 400MT for $599 for an i5, with 4 GB RAM
Sure, but you aren't comparing against thin clients.
LOL - now mind you it's been years since I looked at thin clients, they were $299/ea on average from HP and other big name thin client providers, and that was without a monitor.
Thin clients definitely aren't cheap.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It depends on the job but most recently it's been an associates degree in computer science, which doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a programmer and you aren't hiring a programmer.
CS isn't for programmers. It is for algorithmic researchers. Programmers get IT degrees.
It makes no sense and tells you instantly that you talking to a company without the slightest idea or concern about IT. It's a garbage job requirement, often fake, and a great way to improve your job searches by eliminating those places from consideration. You aren't desperate or starving, focus on real and/or good jobs instead.
I intend to take advantage of all of the good advice I've been given here. Hopefully I will learn quickly. On a side note my fiance just got a job with the state paying...a lot so that's great. Motivated me to get out there even more.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
yeah, but $500 is 40% less than that. I could give up 2 years worth of warranty and move to a ProDesk 400MT for $599 for an i5, with 4 GB RAM
Sure, but you aren't comparing against thin clients.
LOL - now mind you it's been years since I looked at thin clients, they were $299/ea on average from HP and other big name thin client providers, and that was without a monitor.
Thin clients definitely aren't cheap.
Yes... but what about the RDS Server cost, the RDS CALs, the management overhead....
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
yeah, but $500 is 40% less than that. I could give up 2 years worth of warranty and move to a ProDesk 400MT for $599 for an i5, with 4 GB RAM
Sure, but you aren't comparing against thin clients.
LOL - now mind you it's been years since I looked at thin clients, they were $299/ea on average from HP and other big name thin client providers, and that was without a monitor.
Thin clients definitely aren't cheap.
Yes... but what about the RDS Server cost, the RDS CALs, the management overhead....
Like I said, ain't cheap $299 isn't cheap - especially when you compare all the other stuff needed to make Thin Clients work compared to a desktop PC.
Even if you take my listed HP at $599, you'll be hard pressed to get a Thin Client solution in place for less than $599 per station when you consider the MS licensing, the server hardware, etc.
