Install Microsoft Volume Licence application with Office 365
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Here's a thought.
on your business premium, drop it down to the non local office app version, then for $12/month add a license for O365 Pro Plus.
Then you're back to having everything in a single package for install/management, etc.
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That wouldn't be worth it. Business Essentials is £3.10 and ProPlus is £10.10 in the UK. So that would be £13.20 versus £14.70 for E3. I currently pay a very reasonable £7.80 for Business Premium.
I will try Jason's idea though. Click-to-run is unpleasant anyway, so switching everything to traditional volume licence Windows install sounds awesome.
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My concern is that O365 is not the same version of Office as the volume licence. Volume licence is "Office Standard 2016" whereas O365 is "Office 365 Business". Effectively the same product, but technically different? Would I be breaking the licence by using "Office Standard" volume licence media to install "Office 365 Business?
I suspect I would.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
My concern is that O365 is not the same version of Office as the volume licence. Volume licence is "Office Standard 2016" whereas O365 is "Office 365 Business". Effectively the same product, but technically different? Would I be breaking the licence by using "Office Standard" volume licence media to install "Office 365 Business?
I suspect I would.
I agree with you, I think you would be.
Also, where would you get a Key to use with the installation media?If you buy a single VL (assuming you already have an open license/open value agreement in place) then you just buy it and be done.
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huh - can you return the volume license Access you bought and buy FFP? FFP, as we previously discussed, should be click to run just like O365. That would possibly be another way around it.
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You mean FPP. Yeah, I think that would work, as previously mentioned, but FPP sucks if you have more than about 10 users.
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if this is a company wide thing, then you have to ask yourself - is it worth the hassle you're dealing with right now versus just paying MS for Pro Plus or E3 licenses.
Even if not whole company - hell, just 10 - is it still worth the effort you're dealing with?
No muss, no fuss if you just buy Pro Plus or E3, if you go mixing and matching.. well tons of hassles.
Also, FPP Office licenses are no longer transferable. The machine you install them onto they are stuck to, like OEM licenses. Plus I don't believe they allow you to install the product on my than one machine like O365 does.
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@Dashrender said:
Also, FPP Office licenses are no longer transferable.
I thought they were now? I though Microsoft changed its mind (again)?
About a quarter of the organisation uses Access (sadly) and I'd rather not mix and match plans. Neither do I want to pay for E3 for three-quarters of the organisation who don't need it. I'd prefer to treat Access as a standalone product, and ultimately persuade the organisation to stop using it all together (but that will take a couple of years).
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I thought they were now? I though Microsoft changed its mind (again)?
https://blogs.office.com/2013/03/06/office-2013-now-transferable/
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@Dashrender said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
My concern is that O365 is not the same version of Office as the volume licence. Volume licence is "Office Standard 2016" whereas O365 is "Office 365 Business". Effectively the same product, but technically different? Would I be breaking the licence by using "Office Standard" volume licence media to install "Office 365 Business?
I suspect I would.
I agree with you, I think you would be.
Also, where would you get a Key to use with the installation media?If you buy a single VL (assuming you already have an open license/open value agreement in place) then you just buy it and be done.
Depends on your SKU.. Many of the office 365 suites include volume media on MS VLSC to use.
Anyway using it on one computer through a different activation method when they prevented you from using something you bought would be protected by law. We'd do something like that.. Microsoft would have very little ground to stand on.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@Dashrender said:
Also, FPP Office licenses are no longer transferable.
I thought they were now? I though Microsoft changed its mind (again)?
About a quarter of the organisation uses Access (sadly) and I'd rather not mix and match plans. Neither do I want to pay for E3 for three-quarters of the organisation who don't need it. I'd prefer to treat Access as a standalone product, and ultimately persuade the organisation to stop using it all together (but that will take a couple of years).
What better way to drive them to get rid of it than having a monthly/yearly cost to get rid of (O365 licenses)?
You don't want to mix E3 plans with BP plans? why? I thought you could pick and choose anything you need these days?
So you're willing to mix and match who has what Volume Licensing based products with O365 products, but not have a single pane showing you BP and E3 plans?
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@Jason said:
Depends on your SKU.. Many of the office 365 suites include volume media on MS VLSC to use.
Microsoft confirmed that I can't use the Office Standard media to install Office with a Business Premium licence. So I would need an Office 365 volume licence media. You can buy Office 365 under the open licence program, so I could do that, I guess?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@Jason said:
Depends on your SKU.. Many of the office 365 suites include volume media on MS VLSC to use.
Microsoft confirmed that I can't use the Office Standard media to install Office with a Business Premium licence. So I would need an Office 365 volume licence media. You can buy Office 365 under the open licence program, so I could do that, I guess?
You can't officially with business premium you require higher levels.
However I would still do it. Microsoft is the one who locked you out of products you bought which they can't legally do. You still have a license for both and can prove it. Microsoft is the one in the wrong.
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Microsoft's advice is to install an old version of Office (2013) which doesn't have this issue. I think that's a pretty disappointing response.
I'm just going to install Access 2013 which is fine for what I need. I suspect that by the time I want to upgrade Microsoft will have changed everything around again.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Microsoft's advice is to install an old version of Office (2013) which doesn't have this issue. I think that's a pretty disappointing response.
I'd say so.
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I've never experienced anything similar in all my years in IT. You can't install the latest products of a vendor's software together because they are incompatible with each other.
Worse still, there is a click-to-run version of Access that would work perfectly and is identical in almost every way to the MSI version of Access, but it isn't available under Volume Licence.
You basically need to decide if you are a volume licence customer or an O365 customer - you can't be both.
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Microsoft is telling me that the reason you can't run both is that the virtualised version of Office (ie the C2R version) could cause the MSI version of Office to crash if used together.
This is a concern because although it allows me to install an Access 2013 MSI and an Office 2016 C2R, I suspect that I may still get crashes.
