Windows 10 Auto Update
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@BRRABill said:
Can non-admin users install updates by default?
Default yes. You can lock it down by group policy as we do on some computers and all servers
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@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
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@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
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Does this apply even if you uninstalled KB 2952664 + KB 3035583?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
If you're not using WSUS or some other package controlling software - I don't see another choice really - other than an admin running around desk to desk.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
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@wirestyle22 said:
Does this apply even if you uninstalled KB 2952664 + KB 3035583?
Probably, I don't think anyone is even tracking what updates force this issue on people. But I think it's worse than that. New updates are themselves the upgrade, not an old one giving prompts to upgrade.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.
My thing is we have
shittyUSB devices that may become incompatible. That's my only real worry. Things like wireless AV Transmitters, Scanners, etc. -
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.
Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.
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@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.
Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.
What ended up being the cause of it? Relevant to my future
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.
Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.
What ended up being the cause of it? Relevant to my future
Didn't you say yesterday that you don't have all of your computers on the domain? That tells me that if you are not using a third party patch management solution - then you will have this problem where users will inadvertently upgrade themselves to Windows 10.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.
Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.
What ended up being the cause of it? Relevant to my future
Didn't you say yesterday that you don't have all of your computers on the domain? That tells me that if you are not using a third party patch management solution - then you will have this problem where users will inadvertently upgrade themselves to Windows 10.
Future me will have ZT but present me has remotely uninstalled those updates I listed above which prompt users to upgrade to 10. I may be screwed. I don't know.
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We all know at some point it's just going to autoinstall, right?
LOL.
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@BRRABill said:
We all know at some point it's just going to autoinstall, right?
LOL.
Someone needs to write it down on paper because I'm pretty sure that is the first sign that Cyberdyne Systems has completed the new neural net processor and we'll all screwed.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.
Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.
What ended up being the cause of it? Relevant to my future
Didn't you say yesterday that you don't have all of your computers on the domain? That tells me that if you are not using a third party patch management solution - then you will have this problem where users will inadvertently upgrade themselves to Windows 10.
Future me will have ZT but present me has remotely uninstalled those updates I listed above which prompt users to upgrade to 10. I may be screwed. I don't know.
I do believe that you are. MS has/will push an important update that will just start the upgrade. The only way I'm aware of how to stop that is with the MS published registry changes... though JohnHooks says there's a MS program that probably does the same.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades
But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?
Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.
I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.
Exactly and it's not one.
We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.
Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.
What ended up being the cause of it? Relevant to my future
Didn't you say yesterday that you don't have all of your computers on the domain? That tells me that if you are not using a third party patch management solution - then you will have this problem where users will inadvertently upgrade themselves to Windows 10.
Future me will have ZT but present me has remotely uninstalled those updates I listed above which prompt users to upgrade to 10. I may be screwed. I don't know.
I do believe that you are. MS has/will push an important update that will just start the upgrade. The only way I'm aware of how to stop that is with the MS published registry changes... though JohnHooks says there's a MS program that probably does the same.
@johnhooks What say you sir?
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@BRRABill said:
We all know at some point it's just going to autoinstall, right?
LOL.
I don't think it will auto install any more than any other update does - they almost always prompt... but the users just accept or deny them carte blanch... so that's kinda the same as autoinstalling.
