Apple is fighting the FBI
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Google has been inching away from China? Basically threatening them that if China doesn't do it the Google way, that they will leave? I'd love to believe that.
You don't think that those huge factories in Dallas for making phones in the US aren't an attempt to be free of Chinese control? What do you think they are, empty shells just pretending to make phones?
I know not of what you speak.
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@Dashrender said:
I know not of what you speak.
Three years ago Google started moving phone production from China to Fort Worth. They built the largest factories in North Texas and hired thousands to start making Motorola phones there instead of in China. It was right at the same time that Apple started making US factories - it's a hedge strategy to make sure that China knows that they have the skills in the US to make phones and computers. For about a decade and a half, the US actually lose the skills necessary to make them, so China actually had us over a barrel. Those two went crazy investing in American manufacturing systems to make sure that while the majority kept being made in China, that if push came to shove, the US could do it (with time to ramp up.) Apple makes some high end computers in the US, Google makes their top end phone here.
When I moved out of Dallas it was the big place hiring left and right. So many jobs moved into the area.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I know not of what you speak.
Three years ago Google started moving phone production from China to Fort Worth. They built the largest factories in North Texas and hired thousands to start making Motorola phones there instead of in China. It was right at the same time that Apple started making US factories - it's a hedge strategy to make sure that China knows that they have the skills in the US to make phones and computers. For about a decade and a half, the US actually lose the skills necessary to make them, so China actually had us over a barrel. Those two went crazy investing in American manufacturing systems to make sure that while the majority kept being made in China, that if push came to shove, the US could do it (with time to ramp up.) Apple makes some high end computers in the US, Google makes their top end phone here.
When I moved out of Dallas it was the big place hiring left and right. So many jobs moved into the area.
Awesome!!
What were those companies afraid of? were they really concerned with human rights violations? or less so, privacy rights?
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@Dashrender said:
What were those companies afraid of? were they really concerned with human rights violations? or less so, privacy rights?
Vendor lockin (where vendor = country.) Just simple, normal business practices.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
What were those companies afraid of? were they really concerned with human rights violations? or less so, privacy rights?
Vendor lockin (where vendor = country.) Just simple, normal business practices.
oh, well that's not really related to the issue at hand then. But does play in their favor in the current issue.
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@Dashrender said:
oh, well that's not really related to the issue at hand then. But does play in their favor in the current issue.
I thought that was the very issue at hand. I'm not even clear how you think it isn't exactly what was discussed.
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I thought the issue at hand was China or other governments demanding vendors install weak security on devices being sold in their country.
What does that have to do a business making sure a country knows that that business can and will move if the country gets pissy?
I suppose after writing that I can see how they are related.
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@Dashrender said:
I thought the issue at hand was China or other governments demanding vendors install weak security on devices being sold in their country.
What does that have to do a business making sure a country knows that that business can and will move if the country gets pissy?
I suppose after writing that I can see how they are related.
You pretty much just laid it out. Smart phone manufacturing is a huge part of the Chinese economy. If the Chinese government said "we want a backdoor", Apple or Google would just have to threaten to pack up and leave to get them to back down on that demand. Especially since they have shown they can be manufactured in other locations.
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@Dashrender said:
I thought the issue at hand was China or other governments demanding vendors install weak security on devices being sold in their country.
What does that have to do a business making sure a country knows that that business can and will move if the country gets pissy?
I suppose after writing that I can see how they are related.
LOL. Yup, one is the power to stop the other.
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Encrypt everything, all the bloody things. We stand to benefit as a free and open society; opposite being true for those who rule by force.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I thought the issue at hand was China or other governments demanding vendors install weak security on devices being sold in their country.
What does that have to do a business making sure a country knows that that business can and will move if the country gets pissy?
I suppose after writing that I can see how they are related.
LOL. Yup, one is the power to stop the other.
Now this is of course assuming Apple cares about people's privacy in China more than they care about selling phones in china.
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@Dashrender said:
Now this is of course assuming Apple cares about people's privacy in China more than they care about selling phones in china.
Only if you assume that they are exclusive. I totally assume that Apple cares about selling phones. I assume that privacy everywhere is critical to Apple having the sales that they do.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Now this is of course assuming Apple cares about people's privacy in China more than they care about selling phones in china.
Only if you assume that they are exclusive. I totally assume that Apple cares about selling phones. I assume that privacy everywhere is critical to Apple having the sales that they do.
what do you mean "privacy everywhere is critical to Apple having the sales that they do"?
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@Dashrender said:
what do you mean "privacy everywhere is critical to Apple having the sales that they do"?
Apple's stern protection of customer privacy is a key reason that people buy Apple phones. If Apple turns off privacy to make sales in China, they might lose sales both in China and abroad. Privacy is a feature, like anything else.
What if China said that "Safari" was a feature that had to be blocked in China. Would people buy a phone that could not browser the Internet? Just because it is allowed to be sold somewhere doesn't mean that it will sell there.
Privacy and trust are features that people pay a lot for. They are key drivers for Apple sales. Take them away and will people keep buying Apple phones like they do?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Privacy and trust are features that people pay a lot for. They are key drivers for Apple sales. Take them away and will people keep buying Apple phones like they do?
Not sure the average iPhone purchaser has any idea what either of those things means in relation to their phone.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Privacy and trust are features that people pay a lot for. They are key drivers for Apple sales. Take them away and will people keep buying Apple phones like they do?
Not sure the average iPhone purchaser has any idea what either of those things means in relation to their phone.
I'm guessing that people have a certain trust in Apple. Even if they don't understand the details of why.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Privacy and trust are features that people pay a lot for. They are key drivers for Apple sales. Take them away and will people keep buying Apple phones like they do?
Not sure the average iPhone purchaser has any idea what either of those things means in relation to their phone.
I'm guessing that people have a certain trust in Apple. Even if they don't understand the details of why.
People have trust is sales people - where they absolutely should have none - but they do. I don't know if people really trust Apple or just like the interface.
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I'm guessing that Apple took the privacy part away for non US, it would barely matter to most.
hell I heard on the radio that most American's are for forcing Apple to make the changes/software demand by the FBI for the San Bernadino guy's phone - of that's the radio.. so I don't trust it either.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm guessing that Apple took the privacy part away for non US, it would barely matter to most.
Anyone want to drive up North for a bonfire the day that's declared? I'm sure iGasoline will be iProvided for the iFire.
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@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm guessing that Apple took the privacy part away for non US, it would barely matter to most.
Anyone want to drive up North for a bonfire the day that's declared? I'm sure iGasoline will be iProvided for the iFire.
Why would you need to go that far? Just because they put out a poorly secured one in China doesn't mean that it wouldn't stay secured in the US and other countries that currently allow it.
Hell, we have more harm currently coming from our own governments trying to outlaw our access to encryption than we have to worry about Apple specifically.
