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      Sparkum @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender

      Honestly it just 100% came down to price,

      We only had a small portion of users on O365 (20-30 if I remember) and IMO we probably chose the wrong plan for how we operate.

      But the simpe math of $12.50 * 30 = $375/month (Not sure if that was the exact pricing just googled in quickly) * 12 =$4500/year

      Just didnt seem worth it to us.

      If we had done the $5 plan maybe, but for what we are doing in house works just fine.

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        wirestyle22 @Sparkum
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        @Sparkum said:

        @Dashrender

        Honestly it just 100% came down to price,

        We only had a small portion of users on O365 (20-30 if I remember) and IMO we probably chose the wrong plan for how we operate.

        But the simpe math of $12.50 * 30 = $375/month (Not sure if that was the exact pricing just googled in quickly) * 12 =$4500/year

        Just didnt seem worth it to us.

        If we had done the $5 plan maybe, but for what we are doing in house works just fine.

        Even if you calculate the cost the server and the man hours you dedicate to maintain it?

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          Sparkum @wirestyle22
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          @wirestyle22

          Server already existed so its a blind cost (sort of speaking) we just added another virtual, and honestly we haven't touched it since it went into production.
          Other than adding a user here or there, but we would be doing the same process with O365 as we would in house for that

          So I would say as of today we are definitely ahead.

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            wirestyle22 @Sparkum
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            @Sparkum said:

            @wirestyle22

            Server already existed so its a blind cost (sort of speaking) we just added another virtual, and honestly we haven't touched it since it went into production.
            Other than adding a user here or there, but we would be doing the same process with O365 as we would in house for that

            So I would say as of today we are definitely ahead.

            You do need to perform refreshes though which is an added cost every few years. Also, you will eventually run into problems and need to perform maintenance. These are all costs. You are doing that instead of something else beneficial to the company, you know what I mean?

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              Sparkum @wirestyle22
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              @wirestyle22
              Ya 100%

              But to be completely blunt with you, the higher ups see the invoice plain and simple.

              They don't see what we do day in and day out.

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                wirestyle22 @Sparkum
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                @Sparkum said:

                @wirestyle22
                Ya 100%

                But to be completely blunt with you, the higher ups see the invoice plain and simple.

                They don't see what we do day in and day out.

                That's unfortunate. I understand. I'm in the same position here at my company. It won't stop me from fighting to do things the right way and eventually make myself obsolete--which is essentially what I'm doing. They will most likely have someone working here per diem.

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                  JaredBusch
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                  While I do prefer to move Exchange out, it is not a clear cut simple answer. Even considering all costs.

                  The biggest mistake people make when it comes to discussing Office 365 is lumping all the services and costs into one thing.

                  Instead, you need to determine what parts of the puzzle are needed.

                  Exchange Online Plan 1: $4 per user per month (Exchange).
                  Office 365 Business Essentials: $5 per user per month (Exchange, ODfB, and SfB).
                  Office 365 Business: $8 per user per month (Desktop Office apps and ODfB).
                  Office 365 Business Premium: $12.50 per user per month (Exchange, ODfB, SfB, Desktop Office apps).

                  If you are only discussing the need for Exchange, then you should be looking at $4 per user per month or $48 per user per year.

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                    wirestyle22 @JaredBusch
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                    @JaredBusch said:

                    While I do prefer to move Exchange out, it is not a clear cut simple answer. Even considering all costs.

                    The biggest mistake people make when it comes to discussing Office 365 is lumping all the services and costs into one thing.

                    Instead, you need to determine what parts of the puzzle are needed.

                    Exchange Online Plan 1: $4 per user per month (Exchange).
                    Office 365 Business Essentials: $5 per user per month (Exchange, ODfB, and SfB).
                    Office 365 Business: $8 per user per month (Desktop Office apps and ODfB).
                    Office 365 Business Premium: $12.50 per user per month (Exchange, ODfB, SfB, Desktop Office apps).

                    If you are only discussing the need for Exchange, then you should be looking at $4 per user per month or $48 per user per year.

                    Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

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                      scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                      @wirestyle22 said:

                      Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

                      It's where most things are headed, yes. Necessary might be a strong way to think of it. But the trend is and has been that directly very rapidly.

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                        wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @wirestyle22 said:

                        Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

                        It's where most things are headed, yes. Necessary might be a strong way to think of it. But the trend is and has been that directly very rapidly.

                        Thank you.

                        I strongly word it because my understanding is that LAN won't be as supported as it is today in the future. How far away that is, I have no idea.

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                          scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                          @wirestyle22 said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @wirestyle22 said:

                          Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

                          It's where most things are headed, yes. Necessary might be a strong way to think of it. But the trend is and has been that directly very rapidly.

                          Thank you.

                          I strongly word it because my understanding is that LAN won't be as supported as it is today in the future. How far away that is, I have no idea.

                          Even if you have a traditional LAN, it doesn't mean your Exchange would be treated as a LAN resource, though. Email is inherently LANless by design of being a network to network communications platform.

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                            Sparkum @JaredBusch
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                            @JaredBusch

                            100% and I even stated below I think we chose the wrong plan for our company.
                            So while we paid $4k/year we were also licensing 20-30 users with Office 2013 but again, hidden costs.

                            Ya, I think if we had gone 43012 = $1440 there would have been a greater chance of us keeping it.
                            But in the realm of eventually putting lets say 200 people on it, I feel it was an idea that would have died in our organization

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                              Sparkum @wirestyle22
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                              @wirestyle22
                              necessary no, strongly preferred, yes

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                                wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @wirestyle22 said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @wirestyle22 said:

                                Isn't moving to O365 going to be necessary at some point though anyway? Isn't this where technology is going? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

                                It's where most things are headed, yes. Necessary might be a strong way to think of it. But the trend is and has been that directly very rapidly.

                                Thank you.

                                I strongly word it because my understanding is that LAN won't be as supported as it is today in the future. How far away that is, I have no idea.

                                Even if you have a traditional LAN, it doesn't mean your Exchange would be treated as a LAN resource, though. Email is inherently LANless by design of being a network to network communications platform.

                                Isn't it more LAN-like than a cloud service? I suppose we could move our exchange server to a data-center and get more guaranteed connections and better power managemenet options/disaster recovery plans, but isn't that one of the benefits of the cloud or am I way off base here?

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                                  Sparkum @wirestyle22
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                                  @wirestyle22

                                  Benefits of the cloud is its worry free, guaranteed 99.99% up time (typically), and maintenance free.
                                  Then yes electricity, redundancy, internet speeds, etc

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                                    wirestyle22 @Sparkum
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                                    @Sparkum said:

                                    @wirestyle22

                                    Benefits of the cloud is its worry free, guaranteed 99.99% up time (typically), and maintenance free.
                                    Then yes electricity, redundancy, internet speeds, etc

                                    That was my understanding. Thank you for clarifying 🙂

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch
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                                      Strictly form the Exchange side, here are the comparative costs.

                                      Exchange Online Plan 1: 200 * $4 = $800/month * 12 months = $9,600/year.

                                      Exchange 2013 Standard = $655
                                      Exchange 2013 User CAL = $72 * 200 = $14,400

                                      You also have to consider The costs for Office and such. but this is just the Exchange numbers.

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                                        scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                                        @wirestyle22 said:

                                        Isn't it more LAN-like than a cloud service? I suppose we could move our exchange server to a data-center and get more guaranteed connections and better power managemenet options/disaster recovery plans, but isn't that one of the benefits of the cloud or am I way off base here?

                                        Well that's an advantage of hosted. Critical services should generally already be in a datacenter, in most cases.

                                        But it's not LAN-like. Even on on premises Exchange server behaves as if it was its own thing.

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                                          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                          @JaredBusch said:

                                          Strictly form the Exchange side, here are the comparative costs.

                                          Exchange Online Plan 1: 200 * $4 = $800/month * 12 months = $9,600/year.

                                          Exchange 2013 Standard = $655
                                          Exchange 2013 User CAL = $72 * 200 = $14,400

                                          You also have to consider The costs for Office and such. but this is just the Exchange numbers.

                                          And only the licensing cost. Doesn't include the Windows licensing, hardware costs, storage costs, backup software cost, backup hardware cost, Exchange admin cost, and so forth.

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                                            wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            @wirestyle22 said:

                                            Isn't it more LAN-like than a cloud service? I suppose we could move our exchange server to a data-center and get more guaranteed connections and better power managemenet options/disaster recovery plans, but isn't that one of the benefits of the cloud or am I way off base here?

                                            Well that's an advantage of hosted. Critical services should generally already be in a datacenter, in most cases.

                                            But it's not LAN-like. Even on on premises Exchange server behaves as if it was its own thing.

                                            I understand. Thank you!

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