Everything That There Is To Know About VDI Licensing with Windows
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@FATeknollogee said:
What a racket MS has going!!
Only sort of. You are always free to use RDS for remote Windows usage. Or to use Linux desktops VDI or terminal servers. You are never trapped with MS. So no matter what they charge, it's not really unfair as there is no lock in. Expensive, yes but their customers choose them because they think that it is a good investment.
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Windows VECD was the first round of client OS licensing to reflect VDI requirements for Windows, which launched with Windows Vista. Windows VDA replaced Windows VECD and became a Windows SA benefit with Windows 7.
This is the only clear bit of information that he provided.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@FATeknollogee said:
What a racket MS has going!!
Only sort of. You are always free to use RDS for remote Windows usage. Or to use Linux desktops VDI or terminal servers. You are never trapped with MS. So no matter what they charge, it's not really unfair as there is no lock in. Expensive, yes but their customers choose them because they think that it is a good investment.
I don't agree with that statement at all - at least not in the SMB - Their customers choose them because they don't know any better or because they feel like they have lock-in or they are afraid of something new/different.
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@Dashrender said:
I don't agree with that statement at all - at least not in the SMB - Their customers choose them because they don't know any better or because they feel like they have lock-in or they are afraid of something new/different.
That sounds like you totally agreed with my statement
They are free to choose something else and chose not to. There is zero pressure to use MS, they are just so lazy that they do zero research or scare themselves (probably because they did zero research) and make up reasons that they feel that they should be on Windows. That's what "free to choose" means. Sure, there is a reason why people choose MS, but it is because they feel that there is value. Maybe the value is in being lazy and doing zero work to figure out what makes sense for them. Maybe the value is as a placebo. In any case, businesses make decisions based on perceived value (anything else would be fiducially irresponsible.) -
Which part did you disagree with... that companies are free to choose or that they feel that they are making a good business decision?
If the first, who do you feel is extorting them and why do you feel legal action has not been taken?
If the second, do you feel that there is a conspiracy and tens of thousands of companies are knowingly involved in sabotage or theft? What else would intentional financial mismanagement mean?
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I disagree that they pick it because they think it's a good investment. They probably don't even consider that aspect of it.
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@Dashrender said:
I disagree that they pick it because they think it's a good investment. They probably don't even consider that aspect of it.
So as a business, that's their only job. Literally, their singular job. If you feel that they are not doing it, you feel that this is intentionally not doing their jobs (stealing from the business?)
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you have such a weird way of looking at things sometimes. -
maybe the value is in being lazy
lol
To me - statements like that don't really even make sense - I can't imagine that their is conscious though where they think to themselves - Hey there's value in my being lazy - therefore MS is a good investment. -
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I disagree that they pick it because they think it's a good investment. They probably don't even consider that aspect of it.
So as a business, that's their only job. Literally, their singular job. If you feel that they are not doing it, you feel that this is intentionally not doing their jobs (stealing from the business?)
Of course!
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@Dashrender said:
you have such a weird way of looking at things sometimes. -
maybe the value is in being lazy
lol
To me - statements like that don't really even make sense - I can't imagine that their is conscious though where they think to themselves - Hey there's value in my being lazy - therefore MS is a good investment.To me, it's the only thing your statement could mean. You just said that a business decision maker decided to make a massive financial investment in the core infrastructure of the business that he represents and you feel that he may have completely avoided doing his one job in making that decision and just hand the company's money over to one big company.
How is "Hey, there is very to me in being lazy [read: not doing my only job] therefore I'll just hand the company's money over" not exactly what I described?
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@Dashrender said:
So as a business, that's their only job. Literally, their singular job. If you feel that they are not doing it, you feel that this is intentionally not doing their jobs (stealing from the business?)
Of course!
This I understand, if the belief that a massive percentage of people hired to be business financial decisions makers use that opportunity to steal from the company (by being paid for a job that they are not doing at all) then I can understand that. It seems like such an easy task, but I guess if people think that they can get away with it, they'll steal anything.
I learned this while working at a chemical plant. So many people were open, proud of it media pirates. I realized then that every single one of them would steal my car and my television if they truly thought that they could get away with it. None of them didn't steal because it was wrong, they all only didn't steal because they were fearful.
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What is mind blowing is not that people steal. Most people, I think, would commit all kinds of terrible acts if they truly believed that they were completely safe in doing so. That part I get. It is that so many people will brag about it, find that it is socially acceptable and, the big one, the people who manage them all the way up to the owners and investors, simply don't care that their money is being funnelled out to someone for no reason and that the person that they paid to protect them from that is the one making it happen. They didn't just pay someone and have them not do their job, they did the very thing that they, we suppose, were hired to protect them from!
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It's a bit like continuing to pay the king's body guard not after the guard failed to protect the king, but are the ones who actually killed him!
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None of this is to suggest that Windows isn't right for a lot of companies, that people attempt to make good decisions and fail, that factors change over time, etc. I'm just saying that if you feel people are choosing it for reasons other than feeling it is good for their business or they have been threatened in some way... then really, stealing from the company (through laziness, through kickbacks, etc.) appears to be the only thing that we could be stating about them.
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Funny this topic is here, because I'm now looking at VDI and wondering why the hell anyone would consider it.
Server 2012 R2 with TS CAL for 30 people is 1/3 the cost of just the Desktop licensing. Not even including the bump in hardware to run it or anything else. Just desktop licensing..
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@DustinB3403 said:
Funny this topic is here, because I'm now looking at VDI and wondering why the hell anyone would consider it.
There are use cases, but they are niche. It's for generally large environments, with a heavy Windows investment, that are tied to the desktop versions of the OS and cannot use RDS. There are exceptions to that, but that is, more or less, the intended audience.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Server 2012 R2 with TS CAL for 30 people is 1/3 the cost of just the Desktop licensing. Not even including the bump in hardware to run it or anything else. Just desktop licensing..
Sort of, you still need physical desktops. Windows desktop licensing is just part of the hardware (in essentially all cases) so it isn't a cost that can be easily compared to something else.
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Or do you mean the RDS vs. Windows 10 Ent + SA cost?
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RDS to a virtual Server 2012 r2 running our "user applications" office 365 and such
vs "traditional" VDI as Citrix would sell it.
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@DustinB3403 said:
RDS to a virtual Server 2012 r2 running our "user applications" office 365 and such
vs "traditional" VDI as Citrix would sell it.
Okay, so just RDS vs. VDI licensing.
Citrix doesn't sell vanilla VDI, they only sell XenDesktop which is a big VDI management system on top of vanilla VDI.
