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      Alex Sage @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said:

      "servers". The term is used loosely. Those have the specs of whitebox desktops.

      Lots of places offer stuff like this for low end hardware. Do the math, it's super easy to offer the kind of hardware they mention for that price. They have a lot of profit margin built in there.

      Interesting, I have never seen anything like this before. Could you mention some others?

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        scottalanmiller
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        They have one unit which is $35/mo with an i7 processor. Just one. That's $430/yr. They might sell that unit for four years or so. That's $2,500 for a whitebox desktop. Not too hard to make that math work.

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          Alex Sage
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          They offer ZenServer! I could run a bunch of Linux VM's on there, no?

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            scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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            @anonymous said:

            They offer ZenServer! I could run a bunch of Linux VM's on there, no?

            ZenServer? https://www.zenpipe.com/clouds/zen_server

            If they offer dedicated hardware, it is weird that they "offer" anything in particular. You should be able to install anything that the hardware allows.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              Their top end "server" has matching specs to my laptop.

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                scottalanmiller
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                Keep in mind it looks like they don't offer IPv4. That helps to keep the price down but also limits usefulness.

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                  Alex Sage @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  Their top end "server" has matching specs to my laptop.

                  Right, but it's fully hosted. They pay for power, cooling, etc.

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                    scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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                    @anonymous said:

                    They offer ZenServer! I could run a bunch of Linux VM's on there, no?

                    Ah, that was your typo. I thought that you were quoting them. They actually offer XenServer. Yes, you could run many Linux VMs on there. At least 32 - 64 of them.

                    http://www.kimsufi.com/ca/en/about-ks/index.xml#distributions

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                      Alex Sage @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      Keep in mind it looks like they don't offer IPv4. That helps to keep the price down but also limits usefulness.

                      In what way?

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                        scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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                        @anonymous said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        Their top end "server" has matching specs to my laptop.

                        Right, but it's fully hosted. They pay for power, cooling, etc.

                        I'm not saying that it is bad. Only that it isn't a windfall of awesome. It seems like a reasonable product at a reasonable price.

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                          scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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                          @anonymous said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          Keep in mind it looks like they don't offer IPv4. That helps to keep the price down but also limits usefulness.

                          In what way?

                          How does it limit usefulness? It limits you to connecting to people that are on IPv6.

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                            Alex Sage @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller Doh! Z and X are close on the keyboard. My bad.

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                              Alex Sage @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              ow does it limit usefulness? It limits you to connecting to people that are on IPv6.

                              Could I use a cheap Digital Ocean droplet to pass along traffic?

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                                scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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                                @anonymous said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                ow does it limit usefulness? It limits you to connecting to people that are on IPv6.

                                Could I use a cheap Digital Ocean droplet to pass along traffic?

                                Build an IPv4 to IPv6 proxy? Yes, that should work. Only one IP for all of your 64 VMs, though, which is a little limiting.

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                                  dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  "servers". The term is used loosely. Those have the specs of whitebox desktops.

                                  Lots of places offer stuff like this for low end hardware. Do the math, it's super easy to offer the kind of hardware they mention for that price. They have a lot of profit margin built in there.

                                  Their KS-4 = $336 per year ($28 per month). Lifetime hardware warranty

                                  A similar spec tower from Newegg is $700 + Power, Power Redundancy, Internet, Internet Redundancy, HVAC, HVAC redundancy + 3 year warranty.

                                  For a business that already has a server room with redundant power, cooling, and internet, this may not make much sense. For somebody who wants to do their own server management and/or lab environment, I am having a hard time seeing where the KS-4 is a bad deal.

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                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    Didn't say that it was a bad deal, just that it is not surprising that they can do it. The hardware is very cheap and the price is reasonable. They are making plenty of profit on this stuff but not charging an arm and a leg.

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                                      dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      Didn't say that it was a bad deal, just that it is not surprising that they can do it. The hardware is very cheap and the price is reasonable. They are making plenty of profit on this stuff but not charging an arm and a leg.

                                      Ah ok. I must have read something into that then. I wonder if they have any American Data Centers.

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                                        scottalanmiller
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                                        Bad math, deleted my post 🙂

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                                          dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          Bad math, deleted my post 🙂

                                          While I was reading it even, lol.

                                          One thing to definitely ask about is the setup fee. Most places will only charge you that fee once from the few places I have checked and asked.

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                                            scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                                            @dafyre said:

                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            Bad math, deleted my post 🙂

                                            While I was reading it even, lol.

                                            One thing to definitely ask about is the setup fee. Most places will only charge you that fee once from the few places I have checked and asked.

                                            Likely once per server. They need that to pay the bills.

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