Indoctrination into Islam?
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@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller Calligraphy is just fancy hand writing.
you can say all art is just fancy doodling. Calligraphy here is a specific art that arose as part of the limitations around iconography in Islam. It's as much art as anything else. And it is absolutely integral to Arabic cultural studies. If you travel the Arab world it is completely defining to them as calligraphy and mosaics are their key art forms and means of graphical expression.
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@DustinB3403 said:
And in this case, religious examples used for the assignment. (To be fair to everyone)
this is why I used the pictures of Mary example earlier on. That's the closest thing that the Christian world has. But it is not nearly as defining. The Christian world had types of art that were encouraged by sponsorship or whatever. The Islamic world forbids most of the art popular in the Christian world, they cannot have representations of people. So the calligraphy in Islam is specifically important in a way that art in other religions is not. I know of no religion where the art is as a significant of a cultural factor.
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@scottalanmiller you have to remove religion from the equation though Scott.
Or at a very minimum, use all religious examples of calligraphy you can find covering multiple or all major religions.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller you have to remove religion from the equation though Scott.
Or at a very minimum, use all religious examples of calligraphy you can find covering multiple or all major religions.
No, it is a CLASS ON RELIGION. No other religion, no major one at least, has calligraphy as an important topic. This is not an art class. It's art to understand religion, not religion to understand art.
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The entire point here is to learn about world religions. If you studied the iconography of Mary in Catholicism, you would not then study the same thing is Hindu and Islam and Buddhism because it does not apply there. It simply does not exist.
You can't reasonably learn about Islam without talking about calligraphy. But talking about calligraphy has no meaning in any other religious context.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller you have to remove religion from the equation though Scott.
Or at a very minimum, use all religious examples of calligraphy you can find covering multiple or all major religions.
No, it is a CLASS ON RELIGION. No other religion, no major one at least, has calligraphy as an important topic. This is not an art class. It's art to understand religion, not religion to understand art.
I think this is the big point. This is a world history/social studies class not an art class.
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OK, and sorry I must've missed that the class is a class on Religion.
Which if it is, what other assignments have been used that might be controversial? Did the teacher assign the students to buy a Quran and burn it?
Or at a very minimum, has there been some sort of this is what religion A teaches, versus Religion B?
Where is the correlation?
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In this case, art is the lens through which we look at religion and its impacts. If you didn't learn about this and travel the Islamic world you would be confused why it is the way that it is. It's not just important as a religious study, but as a general cultural one too.
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@DustinB3403 said:
OK, and sorry I must've missed that the class is a class on Religion.
Which if it is, what other assignments have been used that might be controversial? Did the teacher assign the students to buy a Quran and burn it?
How would that teach you about religion? That kind of goes against the whole point of the class right?
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I think that he meant to imply that some popular religions in America exist with no doctrine of their own but are essentially nothing but a means to be anti-Islamic. Just hatred with no point of their own.
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@coliver said:
@DustinB3403 said:
OK, and sorry I must've missed that the class is a class on Religion.
Which if it is, what other assignments have been used that might be controversial? Did the teacher assign the students to buy a Quran and burn it?
How would that teach you about religion? That kind of goes against the whole point of the class right?
It would teach you how pissed off Islamic followers get about burning their holy book I suppose.
Just using it as an example of something that would offend and light a firestorm under the other half.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I think that he meant to imply that some popular religions in America exist with no doctrine of their own but are essentially nothing but a means to be anti-Islamic. Just hatred with no point of their own.
Huh? I guess I haven't heard about these specific hate groups at least none that are religious.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@coliver said:
@DustinB3403 said:
OK, and sorry I must've missed that the class is a class on Religion.
Which if it is, what other assignments have been used that might be controversial? Did the teacher assign the students to buy a Quran and burn it?
How would that teach you about religion? That kind of goes against the whole point of the class right?
It would teach you how pissed off Islamic followers get about burning their holy book I suppose.
Just using it as an example of something that would offend and light a firestorm under the other half.
Ah. Well it isn't a Christian thing to hate learning about other religions. It's not a religious stance that is pissing people off.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I think that he meant to imply that some popular religions in America exist with no doctrine of their own but are essentially nothing but a means to be anti-Islamic. Just hatred with no point of their own.
Huh? I guess I haven't heard about these specific hate groups at least none that are religious.
I was just working from the statement and implications.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@coliver said:
@DustinB3403 said:
OK, and sorry I must've missed that the class is a class on Religion.
Which if it is, what other assignments have been used that might be controversial? Did the teacher assign the students to buy a Quran and burn it?
How would that teach you about religion? That kind of goes against the whole point of the class right?
It would teach you how pissed off Islamic followers get about burning their holy book I suppose.
Just using it as an example of something that would offend and light a firestorm under the other half.
Sorry, I missed your point. I generally get very emotional when people start talking about burning books... it draws too many similarities to some of the things @scottalanmiller was avoiding a few posts ago.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
@coliver said:
@DustinB3403 said:
OK, and sorry I must've missed that the class is a class on Religion.
Which if it is, what other assignments have been used that might be controversial? Did the teacher assign the students to buy a Quran and burn it?
How would that teach you about religion? That kind of goes against the whole point of the class right?
It would teach you how pissed off Islamic followers get about burning their holy book I suppose.
Just using it as an example of something that would offend and light a firestorm under the other half.
Ah. Well it isn't a Christian thing to hate learning about other religions. It's not a religious stance that is pissing people off.
Go to any country in the Middle East and assign them Christian or Jewish doctrine for homework. I am sure they would react 10x worse.
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It shoudl also be noted that this was World Geography class... When I was coming up through school, Geography was mostly maps and history. It would mention the various religions, but wouldn't go into the doctrine at all, except that "Folks from this religion hated that religion and vice versa, so they waged war a lot" type stuff.
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Just to be noted as well
"While there has been no specific threat of harm to students, schools and school offices will be closed Friday, December 18, 2015," Augusta County Schools said.
The SAME day as @Dashrender birthday and the new Starwars Movie.... stuff is starting to get fishy!!!
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@DustinB3403 said:
Just to be noted as well
"While there has been no specific threat of harm to students, schools and school offices will be closed Friday, December 18, 2015," Augusta County Schools said.
The SAME day as @Dashrender birthday and the new Starwars Movie.... stuff is starting to get fishy!!!
Basically all the teachers and administration wanted the day off so they could go to the midnight premier.
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@coliver And of course to celebrate @Dashrender birthday... I mean that's the real party item...
