A new way of parental control
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@scottalanmiller said:
Why would we toss devices every year? Our iOS devices are completely usable for five years. No need to toss them.
I saw an iPhone 4 (or 4S) last Friday, and I don't know how the user uses it. The screen is just too small.
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@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
Almost everyone I know has an iPhone. Except the people who hate Apple, and the people who think their Android phone is so much cheaper when it really isn't, apples to apples. (No pun intended.)
When general users ask me, I almost always point them to an iPhone/iMac. As I said, I think it delivers the easiest/best experiences, which is what most people are looking for.
I'm not a huge Mac fan, and I think the PC is easier and much cheaper.
I think the low numbers come from the third world and other non-US locations. It's when you realize that your iPhone count is one stat but the Android numbers get propped up by things like ChromeCast and Amazon Fire Sticks at $25. It makes Android numbers much higher than the "comparable to iPhone phone sales" numbers.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why would we toss devices every year? Our iOS devices are completely usable for five years. No need to toss them.
I saw an iPhone 4 (or 4S) last Friday, and I don't know how the user uses it. The screen is just too small.
I'm on a 5S and I'm beginning to feel like it is pretty small.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why would we toss devices every year? Our iOS devices are completely usable for five years. No need to toss them.
I saw an iPhone 4 (or 4S) last Friday, and I don't know how the user uses it. The screen is just too small.
That phone is over 5 years old (at release date at this point in time).
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@DustinB3403 said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why would we toss devices every year? Our iOS devices are completely usable for five years. No need to toss them.
I saw an iPhone 4 (or 4S) last Friday, and I don't know how the user uses it. The screen is just too small.
That phone is over 5 years old (at release date at this point in time).
I got a new 5S just a few months ago. You can have a 4S that was given to you by Apple support not all that long ago.
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@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
What most of us don't realize is that that 15% is the USA and Western Europe. It's the rest of the world that makes up most of that 85% of Android.
That might be overstating it. Apple's 15% is mostly USA and Western Europe, and Android probably has around 5-10% of it's sales in USA and Western Europe, but the mass majority of the rest of the globe is Android because of cheap devices.
This is also where MS phones sing. Why, because MS also makes Cheap Phones.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I got a new 5S just a few months ago. You can have a 4S that was given to you by Apple support not all that long ago.
Huh?
Explain, I'm confused. Unless you mean that you can still get a new iPhone 4S in plastic-wrap. Which OK sure you can, but why would you really want to?
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The thing about iPhones is that when well treated they can last a very long time. We have several iPads at or about to hit five years, all going through full charge cycles every day and they still run perfectly well. We've only replaced iPhones because we just wanted to update or because we broke the phones - never because they "got old" yet.
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@scottalanmiller The same thing goes for cars, trains and planes
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@scottalanmiller said:
The thing about iPhones is that when well treated they can last a very long time. We have several iPads at or about to hit five years, all going through full charge cycles every day and they still run perfectly well. We've only replaced iPhones because we just wanted to update or because we broke the phones - never because they "got old" yet.
Same here.
Though my 3G was soooooooooooooooooooooooooo sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow I finally caved.
That doesn't seem to happen anymore. All of the newer devices run the new iOS updates and run them pretty well.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I got a new 5S just a few months ago. You can have a 4S that was given to you by Apple support not all that long ago.
Huh?
Explain, I'm confused. Unless you mean that you can still get a new iPhone 4S in plastic-wrap. Which OK sure you can, but why would you really want to?
Because you go to support with a phone issue and they give you a new phone. That's what happened to me. Dropped on in a lake... got a new one. So my iPhone 5S cost me "nothing" and is just three months old.
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@scottalanmiller Oh, well doesn't that speak to the fact that they are either really good at refurbishing the phones that come back, or way over built the phones in advance if you're getting a new phone for free?
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
What most of us don't realize is that that 15% is the USA and Western Europe. It's the rest of the world that makes up most of that 85% of Android.
That might be overstating it. Apple's 15% is mostly USA and Western Europe, and Android probably has around 5-10% of it's sales in USA and Western Europe, but the mass majority of the rest of the globe is Android because of cheap devices.
This is also where MS phones sing. Why, because MS also makes Cheap Phones.
Without the context, those sales figures are very hard to follow. Android is a range of devices, many of which are not compatible with each other. All four of our Androids right now are all Amazon Fire devices and aren't compatible with Google Play devices, for example. They are their own ecosystem even though they share code with the rest of the Android world. Two are tablets, two are set top and none are phones. All four together were about $150. How do you compare that to our two iPhones for a combined $1,400? Are the Androids 10% by money? Are they 67% by volume? Do tablets count? Do "TV" devices count? Do phones count?
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Because I very highly doubt that Apple is still manufacturing an iPhone 4S and 5/5S.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller Oh, well doesn't that speak to the fact that they are either really good at refurbishing the phones that come back, or way over built the phones in advance if you're getting a new phone for free?
Same as any other support / warranty system.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Because I very highly doubt that Apple is still manufacturing an iPhone 4S and 5/5S.
Why? They are super cheap to make now.
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Never said it wasn't.
But it's new to you (repaired and sitting on a shelf) it's not new like the "new car smell".
It's perfectly acceptable, but its likely not new.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Never said it wasn't.
But it's new to you (repaired and sitting on a shelf) it's not new like the "new car smell".
It's perfectly acceptable, but its likely not new.
They are very much new. Not refurbed, not repaired.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
What most of us don't realize is that that 15% is the USA and Western Europe. It's the rest of the world that makes up most of that 85% of Android.
That might be overstating it. Apple's 15% is mostly USA and Western Europe, and Android probably has around 5-10% of it's sales in USA and Western Europe, but the mass majority of the rest of the globe is Android because of cheap devices.
This is also where MS phones sing. Why, because MS also makes Cheap Phones.
Without the context, those sales figures are very hard to follow. Android is a range of devices, many of which are not compatible with each other. All four of our Androids right now are all Amazon Fire devices and aren't compatible with Google Play devices, for example. They are their own ecosystem even though they share code with the rest of the Android world. Two are tablets, two are set top and none are phones. All four together were about $150. How do you compare that to our two iPhones for a combined $1,400? Are the Androids 10% by money? Are they 67% by volume? Do tablets count? Do "TV" devices count? Do phones count?
While it's nothing more than my assumption - my assumption is that the sales are of unit Phones sold and phones only. 15% of the phone sales are Apple, around 2% are MS phones, around 1.5% are BlackBerry, under 1% for other, that leaves the rest for Android at 80.5%.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
I was surprised iPhone ownership was so low.
What most of us don't realize is that that 15% is the USA and Western Europe. It's the rest of the world that makes up most of that 85% of Android.
That might be overstating it. Apple's 15% is mostly USA and Western Europe, and Android probably has around 5-10% of it's sales in USA and Western Europe, but the mass majority of the rest of the globe is Android because of cheap devices.
This is also where MS phones sing. Why, because MS also makes Cheap Phones.
Without the context, those sales figures are very hard to follow. Android is a range of devices, many of which are not compatible with each other. All four of our Androids right now are all Amazon Fire devices and aren't compatible with Google Play devices, for example. They are their own ecosystem even though they share code with the rest of the Android world. Two are tablets, two are set top and none are phones. All four together were about $150. How do you compare that to our two iPhones for a combined $1,400? Are the Androids 10% by money? Are they 67% by volume? Do tablets count? Do "TV" devices count? Do phones count?
While it's nothing more than my assumption - my assumption is that the sales are of unit Phones sold and phones only. 15% of the phone sales are Apple, around 2% are MS phones, around 1.5% are BlackBerry, under 1% for other, that leaves the rest for Android at 80.5%.
Possibly, but that seems unlikely. Why and even how do you separate out the devices like that? Is my dad's iPad with 4G service a phone or a tablet?
