Backup System For 5 PC SMB
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Because that with DC licensing you license capacity, not VMs. The idea that you have a "server licensed" doesn't exist.
But I can't just run a Windows Server in VirtualBox. It has to be licensed somehow, right?
Of course. Everything needs to be licensed, all of it. You license the platform you are on for the capacity that you need. Same with VDI.
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@brianlittlejohn said:
Yes, you have to use a license on the machine holding virtualbox (bad idea never put a server on there except to test)
I think where you may be getting confused is that you don't physically install a license on the machine. You just have to have enough licenses to cover your use scenario to be legal.
Yes, that was just a (bad) example.
OK. As you may know from my other thread, I am a little new to the VM thing. I figured they all still needed to be activated and whatnot.
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@BRRABill said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
Without DC you are still licensing capacity and not VMs, So If I had 2 WIndows Server VMs that could run on 3 hosts in event of a failure, I would have to have 3 Standard Server 2012 Licenses, one for each host, even though i only have two vms.
That's the scenario I would be in. 1 host that allows 2 VMs.
And even if you are running the Hyper-V Server with 1 VM, doesn't that need to be licensed somehow?
BTW: do you want me to move this to another topic since we've drifted so far?
HyperV is never a factor. It is always "virtual" or "not virtual." What hypervisor you use cannot ever be a factor.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Of course. Everything needs to be licensed, all of it. You license the platform you are on for the capacity that you need. Same with VDI.
I think my words are confusing activation and licensing.
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@BRRABill said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
Yes, you have to use a license on the machine holding virtualbox (bad idea never put a server on there except to test)
I think where you may be getting confused is that you don't physically install a license on the machine. You just have to have enough licenses to cover your use scenario to be legal.
Yes, that was just a (bad) example.
OK. As you may know from my other thread, I am a little new to the VM thing. I figured they all still needed to be activated and whatnot.
Activated is completely unrelated to licensing. No connection at all.
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You are. If you purchas a VL they give you a MAK key to activate machines.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Of course. Everything needs to be licensed, all of it. You license the platform you are on for the capacity that you need. Same with VDI.
I think my words are confusing activation and licensing.
Yes, that would make things very confusing. You need to activate anytime that the OS sees the hardware change. Doesn't imply anything more than that.
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@brianlittlejohn said:
You are. If you purchas a VL they give you a MAK key to activate machines.
Right.
I'm used to retail activation.
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So back to the scenario.
I have a server with Server 2012R2 Standard on it. 1 license, running 2 VMs. (The max?)
Can I take the backup images of one of those servers and virtual boot it on another device to test it?
Seems like I cannot since my license for Standard only allows me to run 2 VMs and that is what I am running.
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@BRRABill said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
You are. If you purchas a VL they give you a MAK key to activate machines.
Right.
I'm used to retail activation.
That's a pain, but it still isn't tied to licenses.
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I believe you will need a license for your test device as well.
And you can apply multiple Standard Licenses to machines, you get two vms for each license.
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@brianlittlejohn said:
I believe you will need a license for your test device as well.
That's my understanding. Just most people that do that have DC licensing so they just need a little licensing for a lot of testing.
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@brianlittlejohn said:
I believe you will need a license for your test device as well.
And you can apply multiple Standard Licenses to machines, you get two vms for each license.
Hence why I think the 1:1 "test anytime" selling features of these packages, even at the server level, could be out of EULA.
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I'm going to go back in time and forget I ever saw this thread. Or better yet even started it. Muuuuuuuuuuuch easier.
LOL. (JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!)
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@BRRABill said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
I believe you will need a license for your test device as well.
And you can apply multiple Standard Licenses to machines, you get two vms for each license.
Hence why I think the 1:1 "test anytime" selling features of these packages, even at the server level, could be out of EULA.
Not at all, it's completely covered. Tons of us use them, it's no issue at all. But like any other physical server platform, you have to license it. It's that simple. The Datto, as an example, is a server. You need the right licenses for it, nothing more.
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Imagine if you were buying an HP Proliant and it said "Runs Windows Server 2012 R2." You would not assume that running Windows on it was free, right? You'd assume that you need a license for the Windows on that box. That it can run Windows doesn't imply that you don't need licenses for the software that you want to run.
It is exactly the same for Unitrends, Datto or whomever. They are just another server and just need the same licenses as anything else. Don't think of them as special cases and it becomes pretty clear.
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I thought the VMs were tied to the physical server they were licensed for. I guess I am still unclear on that. Like you can move VMs between two DC licensed servers, but BOTH servers need the DC license.
I thought that if you bought a copy of 2012R2, you couldn't install a VM on that, and a VM on a separate machine. Both VMs had to stay with the original server.
Or I guess the better case here would be...I have two servers. One has 2012R2 on it. Now, I can move an instance of a VM to the second server, but that server has to also have a license with a free VM slot available.
Like you can't split the 2 VMs from 1 Standard license onto 2 servers. Both servers need a license. (Thus giving you 4 possible VMs, 2 on each server.)
So in theory you are saying something like a Unitrends box, you'd need to purchase a second license specifically for the Unitrends box, even though the box itself isn't running it 2012R2, but the virtual instance on it is.
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@BRRABill said:
I thought the VMs were tied to the physical server they were licensed for.
That would be super weird. No server system has ever been like that that I've ever been aware of. That's a desktop OS concept only. Or OEM, of course, which we don't even consider as a real thing.
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That is correct. For movement of the VM the Host has to have enough licenses for the maximum number of VMs it will run at once. That is what makes DC licensing attractive, one license unlimited VMs for that host.
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@BRRABill said:
Like you can move VMs between two DC licensed servers, but BOTH servers need the DC license.
DC licensing gives you "unlimited use of the hardware." Period, end of story. That's it. You can run any number of Windows VMs of the same version or lower on the single piece of hardware. There is no other limitations like you are imagining. You are making very simple licensing quite complex, that complexity does not exist. You can move any VM there or to another DC licensed machine anything you want.
We all do this constantly all of the time. VM mobility is part of every HA, FT, DR and LB plan out there.
