Backup and Recovery Goals

Dashrender

@Dashrender said:

So Veeam and Unitrends are the two primary ones that work at the VM level?

Correct. Which is why they are the only two discussed in most contexts. And Unitrends alone handles XenServer.

Thanks - AppAssure also used to be agentless, with Version 5 they changed and went back to an agent.

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

So Veeam and Unitrends are the two primary ones that work at the VM level?

Correct. Which is why they are the only two discussed in most contexts. And Unitrends alone handles XenServer.

Thanks - AppAssure also used to be agentless, with Version 5 they changed and went back to an agent.

Veeam and Unitrends own the agentless space. No reason to compete there.

scottalanmiller

@DustinB3403 said:

What I'm running now for our separate XenServer is Platform backup and restore.

The guest don't get a choice in it, and it's really, really simple to restore from. Import and done.

But you can't do incremental or differential backups making a restore only useful on some occasions. And the ability to backup offsite pretty much goes away.

scottalanmiller

Taking on pain during backups to enable smooth recoveries is generally a good tradeoff, but don't go too far. I feel like you are making an insanely complex and difficult backup process to either:

Avoid just buying Unitrends which meets all of your needs in one product. Or...
Living within the relatively minor pain threshold of a StorageCraft restore.

SC meets your needs for sure, just doesn't hit a checkbox that you seem obsessed with. If you ignore the desire to restore from an image, doesn't SC do what you need all on its own?

DustinB3403

@scottalanmiller I'm not an expert on SC which is why I'm asking the questions. I just don't know how I'd restore a VM from SC. Even the link you posted earlier explains it. But not having seen it happen/done makes me uncomfortable.

scottalanmiller

@DustinB3403 said:

@scottalanmiller I'm not an expert on SC which is why I'm asking the questions. I just don't know how I'd restore a VM from SC. Even the link you posted earlier explains it. But not having seen it happen/done makes me uncomfortable.

You should be doing test restores on a scheduled basis no matter what toolset you use.

WingCreative

Since we're talking about backing XenServer VMs up, would Xen Orchestra with a Starter license be worth considering here? More info here.

I just got the free version up and running, it seems like they do offer some nice tools on top of XenCenter if you get a paid license.

DustinB3403

@WingCreative Xen Orchestra sounds exactly like NAUBackup but with a GUI, which is offered for free.

scottalanmiller

$70/mo seems pretty pricey for this.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

$70/mo seems pretty pricey for this.

Especially if it doesn't offer incrementals/differentials.

scottalanmiller

Not really meant as a backup tool, it's a management tool that just exposes the existing backup techology.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

Not really meant as a backup tool, it's a management tool that just exposes the existing backup techology.

Even worse, just a wrapper for existing tech - yeah way over priced.

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Not really meant as a backup tool, it's a management tool that just exposes the existing backup techology.

Even worse, just a wrapper for exiting tech - yeah way over priced.

For existing tech too!

scottalanmiller

MC Exiting Tech.... get the F out of IT, bro!

(Rapper Exiting Tech..... get it?)

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Not really meant as a backup tool, it's a management tool that just exposes the existing backup techology.

Even worse, just a wrapper for exiting tech - yeah way over priced.

For existing tech too!

those pesky letters have been missing all day.