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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
      last edited by

      @scottalanmiller said:

      @Dashrender said:

      OK - Most VM specific products work at the VM level (I have no clue if SC does or not). I would think that would be the best place to work from for a complete recovery solution.

      Are you saying SC doesn't backup the VHD?

      Correct. It is an agent backup from inside the VM.

      So Veeam and Unitrends are the two primary ones that work at the VM level?

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by

        You two lost me....

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @Dashrender said:

          So Veeam and Unitrends are the two primary ones that work at the VM level?

          Correct. Which is why they are the only two discussed in most contexts. And Unitrends alone handles XenServer.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
            last edited by

            @DustinB3403 said:

            You two lost me....

            Two fundamental types of backups: Agentless that talks to the platform and Agent-based that works from inside the VM.

            Unitrends and Veeam do Agentless.

            Everyone except Veeam does Agent.

            You have to think about each differently. Are you backing up from the platform or from the OS. Platform backups are useless when dealing with physical boxes always.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403
              last edited by

              What I'm running now for our separate XenServer is Platform backup and restore.

              The guest don't get a choice in it, and it's really, really simple to restore from. Import and done.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
                last edited by

                I see the appeal in "import and done" once you do the import of the NAUBackup image, you still have to run the restore from the SC to get your differentials from the last full image. I'm not sure SC would be able to do that easily as SC wouldn't be aware of when the last full backup was done.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @Dashrender said:

                  So Veeam and Unitrends are the two primary ones that work at the VM level?

                  Correct. Which is why they are the only two discussed in most contexts. And Unitrends alone handles XenServer.

                  Thanks - AppAssure also used to be agentless, with Version 5 they changed and went back to an agent. 😞

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    @Dashrender said:

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    @Dashrender said:

                    So Veeam and Unitrends are the two primary ones that work at the VM level?

                    Correct. Which is why they are the only two discussed in most contexts. And Unitrends alone handles XenServer.

                    Thanks - AppAssure also used to be agentless, with Version 5 they changed and went back to an agent. 😞

                    Veeam and Unitrends own the agentless space. No reason to compete there.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      What I'm running now for our separate XenServer is Platform backup and restore.

                      The guest don't get a choice in it, and it's really, really simple to restore from. Import and done.

                      But you can't do incremental or differential backups making a restore only useful on some occasions. And the ability to backup offsite pretty much goes away.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        Taking on pain during backups to enable smooth recoveries is generally a good tradeoff, but don't go too far. I feel like you are making an insanely complex and difficult backup process to either:

                        • Avoid just buying Unitrends which meets all of your needs in one product. Or...
                        • Living within the relatively minor pain threshold of a StorageCraft restore.

                        SC meets your needs for sure, just doesn't hit a checkbox that you seem obsessed with. If you ignore the desire to restore from an image, doesn't SC do what you need all on its own?

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller I'm not an expert on SC which is why I'm asking the questions. I just don't know how I'd restore a VM from SC. Even the link you posted earlier explains it. But not having seen it happen/done makes me uncomfortable.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            @scottalanmiller I'm not an expert on SC which is why I'm asking the questions. I just don't know how I'd restore a VM from SC. Even the link you posted earlier explains it. But not having seen it happen/done makes me uncomfortable.

                            You should be doing test restores on a scheduled basis no matter what toolset you use.

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                            • W
                              WingCreative
                              last edited by

                              Since we're talking about backing XenServer VMs up, would Xen Orchestra with a Starter license be worth considering here? More info here.

                              I just got the free version up and running, it seems like they do offer some nice tools on top of XenCenter if you get a paid license.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @WingCreative
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                                @WingCreative Xen Orchestra sounds exactly like NAUBackup but with a GUI, which is offered for free.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  $70/mo seems pretty pricey for this.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by Dashrender

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    $70/mo seems pretty pricey for this.

                                    Especially if it doesn't offer incrementals/differentials.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      Not really meant as a backup tool, it's a management tool that just exposes the existing backup techology.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by Dashrender

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        Not really meant as a backup tool, it's a management tool that just exposes the existing backup techology.

                                        Even worse, just a wrapper for existing tech - yeah way over priced.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          Not really meant as a backup tool, it's a management tool that just exposes the existing backup techology.

                                          Even worse, just a wrapper for exiting tech - yeah way over priced.

                                          For existing tech too!

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            MC Exiting Tech.... get the F out of IT, bro!

                                            (Rapper Exiting Tech..... get it?)

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