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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
      last edited by

      The argument here: http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1173034-need-50-pc-s-re-imaged-lock-down-profiles-etc?page=1#entry-4999307

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
        last edited by

        @DustinB3403 said:

        The argument here: http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1173034-need-50-pc-s-re-imaged-lock-down-profiles-etc?page=1#entry-4999307

        Where? That is a long thread and I didn't see it in a quick look. Got a quote?

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
          last edited by

          The method is the question, can microsoft define how you can deploy the ISO to a target machine, and do they currently.

          VS is there a scapegoat here that if I use OEM Media to pull the ISO off and put in into a Fog Server, can I then use that ISO to restore my computer?

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
            last edited by

            Look at anything from dpaul.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
              last edited by

              @DustinB3403 said:

              VS is there a scapegoat here that if I use OEM Media to pull the ISO off and put in into a Fog Server, can I then use that ISO to restore my computer?

              Of course and I've seen no suggestion to the contrary.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @DustinB3403 said:

                Look at anything from dpaul.

                I'm reading his stuff. I see no contradiction. Once you buy reimaging rights you are good to go. What's the issue. Do you have a quote to the contrary?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  You need to explain why you think there is a question because just stating that you see one doesn't guide me to seeing what you are seeing.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    He's saying, in order to use an OEM Recovery Disk (and product key on any windows device) that you must own VL to reimage this machine even with the OEM ISO.

                    I'm on the stance that if I'm using the OEM Recovery ISO, that it doesn't matter how I deploy it to the target.

                    Am I wrong?

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      He's saying, in order to use an OEM Recovery Disk (and product key on any windows device) that you must own VL to reimage this machine even with the OEM ISO.

                      Of course you need that, VL is the only source of reimaging rights.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        I'm on the stance that if I'm using the OEM Recovery ISO, that it doesn't matter how I deploy it to the target.

                        Am I wrong?

                        As far as I know, yes. Imaging is granted by VL. Once you are talking about reimaging rights, VL is assumed as that is where you gain those rights.

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          But you can reinstall (reimage) a target machine by using the Recovery Disk.

                          So where is the difference?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            But you can reinstall (reimage) a target machine by using the Recovery Disk.

                            You can resintall, not reimage. You can't just call installing imaging, those are two different things.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              So where is the difference?

                              Where is the similarity? 🙂

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                The similarity is that the machine is back to an OEM state.

                                How does it matter how it go to that state.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  You may be allowed to do a one to one image to a unique image for each machine. That's very possible, I'm not sure there. But reimaging from a standard image is exclusive to VL.

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                                  • JaredBuschJ
                                    JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                                    last edited by

                                    You answered your own question in the first post. I am not sure what the heck your issue it..

                                    First the definition of imaging.

                                    @DustinB3403 said:

                                    Q: What are "reimaging rights"?
                                    A: Reimaging is the copying of software onto multiple devices from one standard image.

                                    @DustinB3403 said:

                                    OEM-Specific Information
                                    Reimaging is the copying of software onto multiple devices from one standard image.

                                    now on to OEM

                                    snip

                                    All of that basically said you can use original OEM of customized OEM images to resinstall only on the same hardware that the OEM image was originally used used on. AKA a 1 to 1.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      @DustinB3403 said:

                                      The similarity is that the machine is back to an OEM state.

                                      How does it matter how it go to that state.

                                      It doesn't - how you get an OEM image back on a machine is irrelevant. but doing so has NOTHING to do with reimaging rights, because you are not reimaging, you are reinstalling the OEM stuff.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender
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                                        The whole idea of Imaging Rights is the use of VL media deployed to multiple machines. If you are still using the OEM media, you're not using imaging rights.
                                        And as JB said, you can deploy/image/reinstall the OEM supplied software to the hardware it came with however you want.

                                        So onto your other question - why would you use FOG to deploy OEM images to a machine? This seems like a waste of time. When using FOG, you will more than likely be using VL media to deploy images.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by DustinB3403

                                          The contention (at least on SW) has always been how you install said ISO to a machine. I've always said, you can deploy an OEM Image (which in my opinion means what came with the device when you bought it) to the machine without any legal issue, in any way that you want.

                                          So I've always been correct, if you guys agree with me.

                                          The only trouble comes in if you ever change that image, that you legally aren't able to use the OEM product key.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said:

                                            The contention (at least on SW) has always been how you install said ISO to a machine. I've always said, you can deploy an OEM Image (which in my opinion means what came with the device when you bought it) to the machine without any legal issue, in any way that you want.

                                            This may or may not be true. What is important is that it is not considered related to reimaging rights.

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