Non-IT News Thread
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
No country states more infected than tested positive. Most news quotes the medical professionals as assuming there are more, but they have no way to test, in almost all countries.
No, they are running the tested numbers, medical professionals are saying the assumption is that the real numbers are 1,000% higher because we are testing almost no one.
And the refusal to test was being reported long before they were short on tests.
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@Pete-S said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's also counterproductive to test.
Zero tests, or open testing. Both have a purpose. The problem with limited testing is that it is being used to claim that the spread isn't happening, that the infection rate is low, and make it seem like containment is working. So they say that only tested numbers are real, and only give out as many tests as they feel that they can admit to at the time.
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@Pete-S said in Non-IT News Thread:
There is simply no need to test those that have mild symptoms. And it's illogical. It's the really sick that needs health care. If you don't need health care, stay at home until you are feeling well again.
If you don't test, you don't know to stay home. I've got a cousin quarantined away from his family leaving them struggling to take care of the kids, but fearful that he will infect them. But he can't get tested, even though he's extremely sick. So he can't get treated, and it is impacting his family.
People who have mild symptoms, but don't know, will keep functioning. Someone has to grocery shop. Someone has to work. Without tests it's flippant to tell the whole world to self quarantine "just in case", because we'd all starve if everyone did that. No logistics, no farms, etc. We depend on people who think that are likely safe to keep working to keep the wheels turning. By testing, we can protect them from spreading it like wildfire.
Testing matters, a lot. Like, a lot a lot.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
The problem with limited testing is that it is being used to claim that the spread isn't happening,
No it is not.
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@Pete-S said in Non-IT News Thread:
So you test those that have serious symptoms and need to go to the ER.
Why? Those seem like the least useful to test. They are known sick, known to be in need, and already being treated.
It's the mild symptoms we need to know most. We need to know how to change behaviour to keep as many people functional as possible, while stopping the spread as much as possible.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
The problem with limited testing is that it is being used to claim that the spread isn't happening,
No it is not.
Um, try all news outlets, every government speach.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
The problem with limited testing is that it is being used to claim that the spread isn't happening,
No it is not.
Um, try all news outlets, every government speach.
Excuse me yes, one certain elected official, and his favorite news station.
But thinking people already know that is false bullshit.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
The problem with limited testing is that it is being used to claim that the spread isn't happening,
No it is not.
Um, try all news outlets, every government speach.
Excuse me yes, one certain elected official, and his favorite news station.
But thinking people already know that is false bullshit.
Even the WHO uses the US "official" test numbers. Not the doctor's believed numbers.
50K infected in the US is the number that ever source repeats.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Even the WHO uses the US "official" test numbers. Not the doctor's believed numbers.
50K infected in the US is the number that ever source repeats.Stop conflating my statements.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Even the WHO uses the US "official" test numbers. Not the doctor's believed numbers.
50K infected in the US is the number that ever source repeats.
No one, anywhere, reports official numbers that are not "tested positive"
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Even the WHO uses the US "official" test numbers. Not the doctor's believed numbers.
50K infected in the US is the number that ever source repeats.Stop conflating my statements.
Here is an example. And boy have the numbers grown since I went to sleep. Now the NYT is pretty liberal. And they don't state that this is the real number, they state that this is tested. But when presented in this way, there's nothing but the tested number. Nothing mentions "testing withheld or unavailable, so not connected to real cases", it requires people to see this data and then research and put together that it doesn't mean what they think that it means. This is how television ads work... state something like what people want to hear, don't point out that they misunderstand, and they believe that they've been told something different than they have.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
Even the URL says "cases" not "tests".
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
and only give out as many tests as they feel that they can admit to at the time.
Prove it. Because all reports of the supply chain are that test are being made as fast as possible. Including testing for new version that provide faster results.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Even the WHO uses the US "official" test numbers. Not the doctor's believed numbers.
50K infected in the US is the number that ever source repeats.
No one, anywhere, reports official numbers that are not "tested positive"
Exactly. That's my whole point. We aren't reporting what we believe the tests have told us, but only underlying data that, without knowing how the tests are being withheld, means literally nothing.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
and only give out as many tests as they feel that they can admit to at the time.
Prove it. Because all reports of the supply chain are that test are being made as fast as possible. Including testing for new version that provide faster results.
It was announced here. Hard limits to testing, not based on available tests. They have a government issues limit to daily reports for the DFW.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
without knowing how the tests are being withheld
Take off the fucking tin foil hat already.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
without knowing how the tests are being withheld
Take off the fucking tin foil hat already.
In Mexico their testing facilities were told that they couldn't administer the tests. And that's first had info from a testing facility because someone tried to go there and they had an announcement that they were forbidden to test for COVID.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
without knowing how the tests are being withheld
Take off the fucking tin foil hat already.
There's no tinfoil hate. You know that the tests are withheld in some cases, that's fact. Dallas is an example, but everyone is reporting it everywhere. We know it first hand in at least Mexico, as well.
And we know that that info isn't being reported along with the numbers. So we are dealing with simple fact. There's nothing to extrapolate.
We are dealing with things like.... how bad is the situation? 5 Five? Five out of.... what? Ten? One hundred? No... just five. Sounds scary, but it means nothing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
without knowing how the tests are being withheld
Take off the fucking tin foil hat already.
There's no tinfoil hate. You know that the tests are withheld in some cases, that's fact. Dallas is an example, but everyone is reporting it everywhere. We know it first hand in at least Mexico, as well.
And we know that that info isn't being reported along with the numbers. So we are dealing with simple fact. There's nothing to extrapolate.
We are dealing with things like.... how bad is the situation? 5 Five? Five out of.... what? Ten? One hundred? No... just five. Sounds scary, but it means nothing.
This is all conjecture. You have proven nothing.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
without knowing how the tests are being withheld
Take off the fucking tin foil hat already.
There's no tinfoil hate. You know that the tests are withheld in some cases, that's fact. Dallas is an example, but everyone is reporting it everywhere. We know it first hand in at least Mexico, as well.
And we know that that info isn't being reported along with the numbers. So we are dealing with simple fact. There's nothing to extrapolate.
We are dealing with things like.... how bad is the situation? 5 Five? Five out of.... what? Ten? One hundred? No... just five. Sounds scary, but it means nothing.
This is all conjecture. You have proven nothing.
No, there's not a single piece of conjecture. Those are all the reported facts. Absolutely zero conjecture.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
without knowing how the tests are being withheld
Take off the fucking tin foil hat already.
There's no tinfoil hate. You know that the tests are withheld in some cases, that's fact. Dallas is an example, but everyone is reporting it everywhere. We know it first hand in at least Mexico, as well.
And we know that that info isn't being reported along with the numbers. So we are dealing with simple fact. There's nothing to extrapolate.
We are dealing with things like.... how bad is the situation? 5 Five? Five out of.... what? Ten? One hundred? No... just five. Sounds scary, but it means nothing.
This is all conjecture. You have proven nothing.
No, there's not a single piece of conjecture. Those are all the reported facts. Absolutely zero conjecture.
Conjecture is saying it is conjecture. You are assuming I've changed what was reported without any reason to believe so.
