Non-IT News Thread
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@Dashrender well we know healthcare isn't an open market since this price lists have been hidden away in this ledger for who knows how long.
And people who don't have insurance are actually charged these rates. Where as those who do have insurance get some massive discount.
The issue stems from there not being any pricing controls for healthcare. They can charge whatever the hell they want because they've been allowed too. The pharma industry is trying to follow suit with this practice as well with their bout of price-jacking.
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@bnrstnr said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
they can't be 100% sure until they are billed by the doctor/facility.
Can't be sure? WTF? why not?Because there are a thousand different codes the doctor can pull out of his ass for the same exact procedure.
It's infuriating
Well, and even worse - if there are complications - that tosses in dozens of more codes... so even more billing.
But a baseline is something they should be able to say - yes, removing an ingrown toenail is covered - along with any complications. that's not so bloody hard.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@bnrstnr said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
they can't be 100% sure until they are billed by the doctor/facility.
Can't be sure? WTF? why not?Because there are a thousand different codes the doctor can pull out of his ass for the same exact procedure.
It's infuriating
Which is what makes it not a price sheet.
This is their claim for this BS
list all standard charges for common treatments and care
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
And people who don't have insurance are actually charged these rates. Where as those who do have insurance get some massive discount.
For tax purposes they might be billed this amount, but what people without insurance actually pay is often far less than what people with insurance pay total, including what insurance pays. (from my super limited experience anyway)
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@bnrstnr said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
And people who don't have insurance are actually charged these rates. Where as those who do have insurance get some massive discount.
For tax purposes they might be billed this amount, but what people without insurance actually pay is often far less than what people with insurance pay total, including what insurance pays. (from my super limited experience anyway)
Yes, being without insurance often lowers the TOTAL cost out of pocket. It's crazy how much they screw people.
And that's just inside the US, people without insurance often leave the country for even better options abroad because they have the freedom to do so.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
people without insurance often leave the country for even better options abroad because they have the freedom to do so.
and asshole hypocrite politicians do it, too...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/rand-paul-hernia-canada-shouldice-1.4978260
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender well we know healthcare isn't an open market since this price lists have been hidden away in this ledger for who knows how long.
And people who don't have insurance are actually charged these rates. Where as those who do have insurance get some massive discount.
The issue stems from there not being any pricing controls for healthcare. They can charge whatever the hell they want because they've been allowed too. The pharma industry is trying to follow suit with this practice as well with their bout of price-jacking.
This is almost entirely, if not entirely people's own fault. They allowed it to happen. They allowed themselves to get treatment for non imminent things having no clue what the costs were/are.
I may or may not have an issue with the actual cost of these things each on their own.
As for insurance or non insurance costs - sure, that fake made up giant number is just that. Non insurance people rarely actually pay that number. They normally get some huge cash discount number - sure, it might take some time to get there, but frequently, in light of getting nothing and sending the patient to collections, they reduce it in the hopes of getting something instead of nothing.
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@bnrstnr said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
people without insurance often leave the country for even better options abroad because they have the freedom to do so.
and asshole hypocrite politicians do it, too...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/rand-paul-hernia-canada-shouldice-1.4978260
I assume your descriptors have nothing to do with the fact that he's going elsewhere to get the care?
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender well we know healthcare isn't an open market since this price lists have been hidden away in this ledger for who knows how long.
And people who don't have insurance are actually charged these rates. Where as those who do have insurance get some massive discount.
The issue stems from there not being any pricing controls for healthcare. They can charge whatever the hell they want because they've been allowed too. The pharma industry is trying to follow suit with this practice as well with their bout of price-jacking.
This is almost entirely, if not entirely people's own fault. They allowed it to happen. They allowed themselves to get treatment for non imminent things having no clue what the costs were/are.
People can't know what is imminent or not, and often get little or no choice. Parents are threatened, people are told lies, there is no source of truth. The sole source of information is the same crooks making the money. People don't have the power or information to really make informed decisions. They cannot get up front pricing, nor honest evaluations. Without those two things, how do you expect them to be able to make choices, short of leaving the country first?
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender well we know healthcare isn't an open market since this price lists have been hidden away in this ledger for who knows how long.
And people who don't have insurance are actually charged these rates. Where as those who do have insurance get some massive discount.
The issue stems from there not being any pricing controls for healthcare. They can charge whatever the hell they want because they've been allowed too. The pharma industry is trying to follow suit with this practice as well with their bout of price-jacking.
This is almost entirely, if not entirely people's own fault. They allowed it to happen. They allowed themselves to get treatment for non imminent things having no clue what the costs were/are.
People can't know what is imminent or not, and often get little or no choice. Parents are threatened, people are told lies, there is no source of truth. The sole source of information is the same crooks making the money. People don't have the power or information to really make informed decisions. They cannot get up front pricing, nor honest evaluations. Without those two things, how do you expect them to be able to make choices, short of leaving the country first?
I am willing to grant you that the majority of providers are only crooks through their lack of caring about making that situation itself better. I don't honestly believe that the typical provider looks at their patients as little more than ATM machines - sure, like any profession, there are a few that do (and apparently many of them live in Florida), but not most.
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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has now tabled a vote of no confidence in the government, which could trigger a general election.
Mrs May said she would make time for a debate on the motion on Wednesday.
Mr Corbyn said the confidence vote would allow the Commons to "give its verdict on the sheer incompetence of this government".
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I honestly have little to no idea what Brexit is, nor do I really want to know either.
But in the most laymen terms possible why should I care about this? And why is Mrs May going up to another chopping block vote for her job again?
She isn't the person pushing for this separation, correct? She's just doing as the people have asked her to do. Correct?
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
I honestly have little to no idea what Brexit is, nor do I really want to know either.
It's like Texas voting to leave the US, with the US already having given permission for it to go.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
But in the most laymen terms possible why should I care about this?
Because it is the most significant world political event of our times. You should care because it affects absolutely everything in the global economy and is a reflection of US political policies playing out in Europe.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
She isn't the person pushing for this separation, correct? She's just doing as the people have asked her to do. Correct?
Yes, to the point of insanity. If you read what she writes and how she is talking, she sounds like a lunatic. She's crazy.
And absolutely not! They voted for a very specific set of circumstances, what she's trying to force through is nothing like what was voted for. You are hearing a near-dictator making crazy claims as she tries to trick one of the world's biggest economies into undermining democracy and destroying their economy.
Under normal times such a crushing defeat on a key piece of government legislation would be expected to be followed by a prime ministerial resignation.
But Mrs May signalled her intention to carry on in a statement immediately after the vote.
She is making the UK more like Venezuela than like Germany.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
And why is Mrs May going up to another chopping block vote for her job again?
Because she...
- Failed to deliver on what the UK voted that it wanted.
- Won't stop trying to destroy the country.
- Is attempting to undermine the democratic processes through media attention instead of admitting that what was voted for in the UK isn't plausible and that she can't possibly give people what they were told they would get in the vote.
- Isn't acting rationally or in the interest of her country.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
She's just doing as the people have asked her to do.
A "one way" "ratchet vote" is never part of anything the people "ask for", it's a mathematical trick to convince people that they wanted something that they didn't.
If they were doing "what the people wanted", they would be willing to vote again to see what the current people want under the current circumstances, instead of what a different set of citizens wanted under false pretenses.
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Although now the issue is that the UK isn't so welcome in the EU anymore. A lot of people in the EU are starting to wish that the UK would just go away. They've been behaving so badly, and their democracy is so poor, and they are acting so much more like the early stages of a dictatorship that they are seen as possibly being no longer desirable to have in such a close relationship as EU membership.
