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If there is a second wave of Covid, the Swedish approach will have been right all along
Not going into lockdown was described as “a mad experiment” at the time, but Sweden can look to the winter with less trepidation than most
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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
If there is a second wave of Covid, the Swedish approach will have been right all along
Not going into lockdown was described as “a mad experiment” at the time, but Sweden can look to the winter with less trepidation than most
how could there not be - really, only way - to stay locked down until there is a vaccine, and then require everyone to get it.
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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
If there is a second wave of Covid, the Swedish approach will have been right all along
Not going into lockdown was described as “a mad experiment” at the time, but Sweden can look to the winter with less trepidation than most
Why? Isn't Sweden still in the first wave? And now that they are showing no immunity, we are seeing Sweden as "the" example of failure because it's in the worst overall shape now.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
If there is a second wave of Covid, the Swedish approach will have been right all along
Not going into lockdown was described as “a mad experiment” at the time, but Sweden can look to the winter with less trepidation than most
how could there not be - really, only way - to stay locked down until there is a vaccine, and then require everyone to get it.
Will any vaccine be expected to be possible now that they are showing that even getting the disease itself only gives you months of immunity?
Maybe if we get vaccines all the time, like every two months?
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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
If there is a second wave of Covid, the Swedish approach will have been right all along
Not going into lockdown was described as “a mad experiment” at the time, but Sweden can look to the winter with less trepidation than most
"Last week, a study suggested that 30 per cent of Swedes have built up immunity to the virus."
But THIS week, studies show that the immunity doesn't last. So while there IS an immunity in places like Sweden and the US, there's no reason to expect it to save them from a second wave. And the US doesn't even have a possibility of ending the first wave anytime soon, and I think Sweden is in a similar boat.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Maybe if we get vaccines all the time
Then, that would be a vaccine similar to the flu shot. Not all vaccines are a full efficacy forever.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Will any vaccine be expected to be possible now that they are showing that even getting the disease itself only gives you months of immunity?
Yes, some evidence indicates that the natural antibody response may reduce after a few months.
No, it is not a proven fact in any way. It is also not even known the amount of antibody reduction and thus whether the reduced antibody counts are reduced enough to allow reinfection.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
If there is a second wave of Covid, the Swedish approach will have been right all along
Not going into lockdown was described as “a mad experiment” at the time, but Sweden can look to the winter with less trepidation than most
how could there not be - really, only way - to stay locked down until there is a vaccine, and then require everyone to get it.
Will any vaccine be expected to be possible now that they are showing that even getting the disease itself only gives you months of immunity?
Maybe if we get vaccines all the time, like every two months?
Literally the first I've heard of zero or basically near zero immunity - damn that sucks!
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
If there is a second wave of Covid, the Swedish approach will have been right all along
Not going into lockdown was described as “a mad experiment” at the time, but Sweden can look to the winter with less trepidation than most
Why? Isn't Sweden still in the first wave? And now that they are showing no immunity, we are seeing Sweden as "the" example of failure because it's in the worst overall shape now.
Also, a small study in a localized area, not yet peer reviewed.
And as Jared points out:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Will any vaccine be expected to be possible now that they are showing that even getting the disease itself only gives you months of immunity?
Yes, some evidence indicates that the natural antibody response may reduce after a few months.
No, it is not a proven fact in any way. It is also not even known the amount of antibody reduction and thus whether the reduced antibody counts are reduced enough to allow reinfection.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Isn't Sweden still in the first wave?
Technically, but it's kinda over...
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Also mentioned by the study:
We suggest that this transient nAb response is a feature shared by both a SARS-CoV-2 infection that causes low disease severity and the circulating seasonal coronaviruses that are associated with common colds.
So who knows. It's just too early to point fingers.
In any case, most will get infected at some time or another anyways. So it's all just political nonsense.
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Another thing, is that Sweden didn't REALLY do much different than most other places. Most things were the same, but many were not mandatory.
Nothing went unimpeded. Middle school+ was closed down and remote in the country, colleges were closed and remote, most businesses that COULD do remote did so, movie theatres and such were closed down and continue to be, theme parks have been closed down for months, social distancing was recommended, stickers on all the floors in all stores and public spaces were down to encourage distancing... streets in Stockholm for example were basically empty, trains were empty... a lot of stuff was done.
The biggest issue was in the beginning, the failure to protect the elderly at nursing homes all over the country. Now that's under control, but that was the main cause of the huge number of deaths.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Maybe if we get vaccines all the time
Then, that would be a vaccine similar to the flu shot. Not all vaccines are a full efficacy forever.
Flu is like annually, though. This would be a lot more.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
If there is a second wave of Covid, the Swedish approach will have been right all along
Not going into lockdown was described as “a mad experiment” at the time, but Sweden can look to the winter with less trepidation than most
how could there not be - really, only way - to stay locked down until there is a vaccine, and then require everyone to get it.
Will any vaccine be expected to be possible now that they are showing that even getting the disease itself only gives you months of immunity?
Maybe if we get vaccines all the time, like every two months?
Literally the first I've heard of zero or basically near zero immunity - damn that sucks!
New study this week.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Maybe if we get vaccines all the time
Then, that would be a vaccine similar to the flu shot. Not all vaccines are a full efficacy forever.
Flu is like annually, though. This would be a lot more.
It's a big if still, nothing is solid.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Maybe if we get vaccines all the time
Then, that would be a vaccine similar to the flu shot. Not all vaccines are a full efficacy forever.
Flu is like annually, though. This would be a lot more.
The Flu itself does not provide long term immunity. People can get the flu multiple times in the season.
The vaccine for the flu, while not always highly effective depending on the yearly mutations, does generally, confer longer improved defense against the virus for the season.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Maybe if we get vaccines all the time
Then, that would be a vaccine similar to the flu shot. Not all vaccines are a full efficacy forever.
Flu is like annually, though. This would be a lot more.
The Flu itself does not provide long term immunity. People can get the flu multiple times in the season.
The vaccine for the flu, while not always highly effective depending on the yearly mutations, does generally, confer longer improved defense against the virus for the season.
True, but it seems to do a lot. Or so people say. I've never had it and am not sure if I've ever had the flu either.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
not sure if I've ever had the flu
As you are almost never in an infectious environment, this would be no surprise.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Maybe if we get vaccines all the time
Then, that would be a vaccine similar to the flu shot. Not all vaccines are a full efficacy forever.
Flu is like annually, though. This would be a lot more.
Is it though? You get the shot normally in what November? and it lasts until March, maybe April? I mean I just don't know - but it doesn't need to last the whole year for normal flu because the heat of summer really dampens it.
Now, of course, that said - Covid-19 has clearly shown to not give a shit about heat. So quarterly inoculations could become a normal thing - damn, someone's making a mint.
