Who do you use for VIOP SIP trunks?
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I thought number portability was a federal requirement these days?
It is... but the people you are porting to have to have a presence in the local exchange, or at least that was my understanding.
Not only that but for business your phones are required to have dual/redundant links to E911.
Most places these days can get into almost any area though. Sometimes it will take them up to a month to port some of the small area stuff to get the links working and test it all though. VoIP.MS pricing hasn't really worked for me in the past. Mainly because I've had phone systems that take 50-100 concurrent calls and the pricing wasn't too great. If you have enough volume you can get SIP trunks at good prices from Verizon. I do not think they do one offs though. Lumos does them as well (and PRIs based on their SIP trunks).
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Not only that but for business your phones are required to have dual/redundant links to E911.
This is not true.
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@JaredBusch said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Not only that but for business your phones are required to have dual/redundant links to E911.
This is not true.
Yes it is. It's not on your side it's on the providers side. Phone companies cannot give connections to bussiness if they don't have two links to the local PSAP.
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@Dashrender said:
PSX,
I'll start by saying I know nothing about SIP trunks and their providers.What's the difference between those providers you listed versus say Cox Communications SIP offerings?
Cox is offering a dedicated SIP port (dedicated network connection with their network) for $100/month plus $6 per SIP trunk with unlimited local calling (I'd have to look it up, might include long distance too).
I know Scott wouldn't like this since it relies on my provider providing a dedicated network connection for this connection - making it harder to move to another location if there was a problem, etc.
Probably fine. They most likely are another L3 reseller.
Biggest difference is the location stuff. If you are local to their PoP, and odds are if you are talking with Cox they are the local cable provider, then they are local to you. So that means low latency to the SIP concentrators. Once on the concentrator that makes the calls flow that much better. Mind you, if you are with a reputable ISP, the links to the external providers is probably fine. But they could suffer on the backbone or cause latency somewhere else.
If they are offering it at $100 a month plus $6 per line, that's pretty competitive. That's ~$250 per month for a PRI equivalent. And if you get the pipe along with it? Pretty good.
Just determine if you need T.38 support, otherwise, that's not a bad way to go.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Yes it is. It's not on your side it's on the providers side.
Then more specifically, your statement is not true in context of this conversation which is the end use not the SIP provider. No one in this conversation is a SIP trunk provider, so that statement means dick.
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@JaredBusch said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Yes it is. It's not on your side it's on the providers side.
Then more specifically, your statement is not true in context of this conversation which is the end use not the SIP provider. No one in this conversation is a SIP trunk provider, so that statement means dick.
Um, It means you can't just get a business connection from any SIP provider and it was in regards to the portability regulations...
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Um, It means you can't just get a business connection from any SIP provider and it was in regards to the portability regulations...
If you are not buying a business plan, you are breaking ToS and do not care about e911 either. If you are buying a business plan, then yes, you can buy it from any provider you want. It is not your problem (directly) to ensure that the provider is in compliance with the various regulations applied to their business.
e911 has nothing to do with portability regulations. e911 is regulated separately from number portability and is not affected by number portability.
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@JaredBusch said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
e911 has nothing to do with portability regulations. e911 is regulated separately from number portability and is not affected by number portability.Actually it does. For example If you are porting a number from Verizon to a small SIP provider who doesn't have redundant links to the PSAP. Verizon will not let them and can not let them have your numbers until the provide the proper links. It is very much tied into the portability.
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@thecreativeone91 is that a regulation or just Verizon finding a loophole to portability?
Bottom line, never make the mistake of letting Verizon hold you hostage.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 is that a regulation or just Verizon finding a loophole to portability?
Bottom line, never make the mistake of letting Verizon hold you hostage.
It's a regulation. But, not all of them follow it as it's not required for home connections. Heck, I'm pretty sure many of the Ma and pop shops around here are just using home phone service connections anyway.
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Well for POTS, I'm guessing the companies only have one type, one solution for everyone, So there is no worry about not having the desired 911 access.
When it comes to internet stuff though, it's a completely different story.
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@Dashrender said:
Well for POTS, I'm guessing the companies only have one type, one solution for everyone, So there is no worry about not having the desired 911 access.
When it comes to internet stuff though, it's a completely different story.
Problem with POTS too, is if you hook it to a modern PBX, the location for the 911 service doesn't work.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Well for POTS, I'm guessing the companies only have one type, one solution for everyone, So there is no worry about not having the desired 911 access.
When it comes to internet stuff though, it's a completely different story.
Problem with POTS too, is if you hook it to a modern PBX, the location for the 911 service doesn't work.
LOL because the phone itself could be anywhere in the world? lol
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Well for POTS, I'm guessing the companies only have one type, one solution for everyone, So there is no worry about not having the desired 911 access.
When it comes to internet stuff though, it's a completely different story.
Problem with POTS too, is if you hook it to a modern PBX, the location for the 911 service doesn't work.
LOL because the phone itself could be anywhere in the world? lol
Exactly. At least with SIP trunks they address the issue. I've had POTS lines that went to even a traditional PBX where even the company didn't know where the extensions were terminating - and the phone companies even screwed up and were terminating corporate PBX extensions to homes so the homes didn't have working 911, a 911 call would send people to a corporate secretary and if you figured out that you needed to dial 9911 it would send the ambulance or police to the wrong city!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Well for POTS, I'm guessing the companies only have one type, one solution for everyone, So there is no worry about not having the desired 911 access.
When it comes to internet stuff though, it's a completely different story.
Problem with POTS too, is if you hook it to a modern PBX, the location for the 911 service doesn't work.
Well POTS just uses address on file most of the time. The bigger problem is when people don't know how to setup these properly using multiple buildings and it happens a lot. The PD was always having to deal this it when I was working for the Town. They get a call and respond to the business only to find out it was actually at their second building or something.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Well POTS just uses address on file most of the time. The bigger problem is when people don't know how to setup these properly using multiple buildings and it happens a lot. The PD was always having to deal this it when I was working for the Town. They get a call and respond to the business only to find out it was actually at their second building or something.
Yeah, they didn't in my house. I lived in Greece and the line in my house was registered as Rochester or Webster. Frontier had terminated a Xerox PBX line to my house instead of my personal phone line. So if I called 911, they thought that the call was coming from a Xerox facility a few cities away.
