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And even after that, because of how much power they tend to have, they can always be redeployed for work or other tasks because they are PCs!
And all of that is in addition to them being useful as desktops whenever you need them to be as well.At that point, you're no longer comparing apples to apples.
Because they aren't. Apples to apples, I think the PC blows the doors of consoles in value if you plan to buy more than say a dozen games over the lifespan.
Then, once it's already way ahead on price and quality, it offers a world of more options that the consoles just don't.
One of the reasons I want a gaming PC is because I don't want to be limited to the apple of consoles, I want an the ecosystem of advantages of the PC as well. It's a win on top of a win.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
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But ALL of that is background noise. The real factor is the games. I have an existing library, that is constantly growing, of over 2,000 games.
That's.... wow, yeah. For me, I probably wouldn't be interested in a single one of those games, like ever! But yes I see your point there, a 2000 game library that's some serious investment and definitely justifies sticking strictly to PC gaming for that specific case. That's very subjective, when you start getting in to game specifics, because like I said, depends on your taste of games. I personally probably would not be interested in playing any of those even if given to me for free, but the games I chose to play on console, and have available to me there, I do, but you likely wouldn't.
There's really not very much on console that you can't get on the PC. There's some, to be sure, and vice versa. I hate that any platform has exclusives, but they all do. But I don't know any category of game that the PC doesn't have good representation in.
It's not just the investment in the past, that's obviously significant, but the investment for the future as well. Like the best price you can get on a game for the Switch (which is crazy bad specs) is like $50 and the same game on Steam is like $8 and the Steam/PC version is way higher graphics, and way more multiplayer options. To get the same on the switch would be like an extra $400 on top of the game and console you already have, all to match what you get for $8 on the PC! It can be crazy differences for games that are on both.
Grand Theft Auto V is another great example. On PC it was on sale for free (yes, free.) Consoles might have it cheap, but I doubt anyone gave a digital download for free.
I don't see why you need to buy new gaming PCs for these 2000 crappy steam games. That's like saying I need to upgrade my Xbox to play my original Xbox library. You don't. The point of upgrading is to play new games that require newer hardware to look and play better than your old games, or to keep current with other features you like.
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XBox One uses a Jaguar processor, replaced in 2014
Xbox one was release in 2013. One X which is now $350 uses a 6 teraflop Scorpio card.
Right, which is better than mine, but only a little bit, and JUST came out.
ONe X has been out for 3-4 years. Series X is new.
OIC. Another reason I dislike consoles. I literally can't tell what products are out. So current Xbox is called "Series" instead of "1" which replaced "360"?
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@Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
I don't see why you need to buy new gaming PCs for these 2000 crappy steam games.
Wow, so you define PC gaming as crappy just because it's PC? Talk about some bias.
I've played consoles, you aren't fooling me.
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@Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
I don't see why you need to buy new gaming PCs for these 2000 crappy steam games.
Wow, so you define PC gaming as crappy just because it's PC? Talk about some bias.
I've played consoles, you aren't fooling me.
Because if I had to pick 2000 steam games, I can kinda guess their quality.
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@Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
The point of upgrading is to play new games that require newer hardware to look and play better than your old games, or to keep current with other features you like.
Right, and I buy a few new games a week. Every week. And the new hardware let's me play more and better games as well as improving the old ones.
One of the things about PC games is that they generally provide for many years of hardware improvements. So you can keep upgrading for years and years and the same games keep getting better. Generally consoles lack this big feature. But even a lot of my old 2D games get new scaling or other features. Let alone more processor intensive games.
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I don't see why you need to buy new gaming PCs for these 2000 crappy steam games.
Wow, so you define PC gaming as crappy just because it's PC? Talk about some bias.
I've played consoles, you aren't fooling me.
Because if I had to pick 2000 steam games, I can kinda guess their quality.
Well, I could same the same thing for anything that releases on a console. If it's console only, the dev knew that it wasn't worth showing to real gamers.
Sounds ridiculous, but it makes more sense than your claim. I've SEEN the selection on some consoles, you can't even stand on that leg.
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@Obsolesce so let's talk real games. What kind of games DO you play, if you don't like anything that has been released on a PC?
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@Obsolesce so let's talk real games. What kind of games DO you play, if you don't like anything that has been released on a PC?
You should already know I have a gaming PC, the Rog strix laptop from like 2016 I think. I play some pc only games. I also have family game consoles, some of the games I can play on PC or whatever.
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@Obsolesce so let's talk real games. What kind of games DO you play, if you don't like anything that has been released on a PC?
You should already know I have a gaming PC, the Rog strix laptop from like 2016 I think. I play some pc only games. I also have family game consoles, some of the games I can play on PC or whatever.
Right, but what games would you play if you had your druthers? What kind of game is on the console that doesn't exist on PCs?
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@Obsolesce so let's talk real games. What kind of games DO you play, if you don't like anything that has been released on a PC?
You should already know I have a gaming PC, the Rog strix laptop from like 2016 I think. I play some pc only games. I also have family game consoles, some of the games I can play on PC or whatever.
It's not like I've not had consoles before. I had them, and I learned my lesson. High cost, low quality, no flexibility. It takes its toll. Sure, it's not that much money and if you love to game you get whatever platform you need for whatever games. I get it. As a traveler I can't reasonably tote around a bunch of consoles, each with a small handful of games that aren't available on the PC. And by not doing so, the cost per game goes way, way down and I can afford to get whatever games we want because the overall cost is fractional. So less to travel with, lower cost overall, bigger game selection.
Do I give up a very small number of exclusive titles that I wish that I could play? Yes. But do I ever run out of games that I really want to play? No. So the amount that I lose is very low. There are more games out there that look great than I have time to play already. So losing the ability to buy a very small number of them because they are exclusive to non-PC actually causes almost no issue for me.
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Some examples of games that I just got for cheap on PC...
Assassin's Creed Origins, Age of Empires DE (4K remake), Star Wars Squandrons, GTA V. A broad variety of titles, all kinds of different things.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
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@Obsolesce so let's talk real games. What kind of games DO you play, if you don't like anything that has been released on a PC?
You should already know I have a gaming PC, the Rog strix laptop from like 2016 I think. I play some pc only games. I also have family game consoles, some of the games I can play on PC or whatever.
Right, but what games would you play if you had your druthers? What kind of game is on the console that doesn't exist on PCs?
My gaming PC is getting crappy and wearing down, and I don't want to spend a ton of money to get another one. I would rather buy a new Xbox for just a fraction of the cost of a new gaming PC (laptop), which all games I do play are available both on Xbox and Xbox on PC, and all PC-only games I currently play, I can keep playing on my old PC. The console-only games we play are fine as-is on their ~15 year old consoles (they don't leave the house so portability is not a factor at all).
My Xbox 360 lasted 11 years. My gaming PC is less than half that and aged so much worse, while costing SO MUCH MORE! Even the PC games I play, are way more expensive than the xbox games.
But times are different now, so most of this stuff is playable cross-platform.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Age of Empires DE (4K remake)
Yeah I have all of those installed on Xbox for PC on my gaming PC (for free* via gamepass), they are so awesome! If I had the newest Xbox, I'd still play them on PC because those aren't family games really. My kids wouldn't play them with me.
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@Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
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Age of Empires DE (4K remake)
Yeah I have all of those installed on Xbox for PC on my gaming PC (for free* via gamepass), they are so awesome! If I had the newest Xbox, I'd still play them on PC because those aren't family games really. My kids wouldn't play them with me.
That's $10/mo (and available on PC,.) Or is that where you are using them?
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I dislike game passes because you pay monthly, often more than I could pay durin that time to buy what I could play, but then I'd own "forever."
Like AoE was just $5. Sure, that's half of a monthly pass but.... to OWN two games per month rather than rent them gets good value fast unless you play insane amounts of time.
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Game Passes are great for trying games, but bad for really getting deep into them.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Game Passes are great for trying games, but bad for really getting deep into them.
Works for us. If I truly like a game enough to want to play it enough to justify the cost per play, then sure.
Treating all games as a cost per play model, makes it worth it in our situation.
The $10 subscription is treated as a single game using that, and yes per month.
So far it's been worth it.
Having over 2000 games and counting, I can imagine most of those having a high cost per play and I could never justify it personally. I'd rather use that on games I really like and upgrading a console for a fraction of the cost of a gaming PC, if said games were not already in my library or already available on the platform I prefer.
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@Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Having over 2000 games and counting, I can imagine most of those having a high cost per play and I could never justify it personally. I'd rather use that on games I really like and upgrading a console for a fraction of the cost of a gaming PC, if said games were not already in my library or already available on the platform I prefer.
High cost per play, yes, but a lot of that cost is the cost of collecting, which isn't a healthy thing but it's where they get me. But the cost per play is surprisingly low considering. With the subscription model, let's just say $10/mo, that's $120/year in games (not bad if it meets your needs) but you get a total of 100 games to play (something like that), but it's not 100 that you select, it's 100 that they select.
To compare, if I was going to go for just 100 games, yes, it would cost me more than $120, but it would be 100 games that I select and they'd be mine to keep whether I want to play them now, in the future, or over and over again.
In a cost per play analysis, yes, you are beating me significantly. But that's not because of the model that I'm using, but because I'm also game collecting
If instead of game collecting I only was buying what we were playing in the reasonable future the total number of games would be massively lower, as would the cost, but the per play would get really good.Also, while I have a HUGE number of games, keep in mind it's for two adults and two kids, all four of which are gamers with different taste in games, and we've been collecting for like 10+ years. Because it adds up over time, and per person, it feels like more than it really is.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
With the subscription model, let's just say $10/mo, that's $120/year in games (not bad if it meets your needs) but you get a total of 100 games to play (something like that), but it's not 100 that you select, it's 100 that they select.
I look at it like this, which I think is the only real way to look at it:
The $10 per month subscription is THE game. Every time one of us plays a game that is available via and through the Game Pass subscription, counts towards the cost per play of THE $10 "game".
For example, It's January 1st, I play AoE DE twice that day, and some combination of me/daughter/son plays "New Super Lucky's Tale" 3 times that day, the cost per play becomes $2. But of course it doesn't stop there... over the course of a month, it may likely exceed 40 times. So the cost per play is then $0.25. So the $10 subscription "game" is at a $0.25 cost per play. That's not bad given there's lots of games available for all our needs.
This hasn't been the case yet, but if a game were to leave Game Pass that I or we often play and don't want to do without, we'd buy it at a discounted Game Pass price as we can probably guesstimate it would be worth it at some point.
If there's a game that like... well the cost per play is like $2.50 and I don't see it being played more than a few times per year or whatever... then it's easy to realize it's not worth it... or maybe it is. It depends on the game and a bunch of other factors.
