Chromebook Shipments Up 67%
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
Just out of curiosity, are you able to do things like open zip files (extract and open contained files) on a Chromebook?
You don't have to, doing so means you are introducing legacy concepts. You don't work with local files on Chromebooks, you do that all on the servers. It's a web browser, you have to rethink end user computing and not carry Windows idioms and challenges over looking for answers. It answers that by changing how you work.
Lots of companies still use Zip files not arguing that it's legacy cause it is. But the fact is you still get lots of those floating around in some businesses.
Chromebooks aren't bad you just have to have the correct environment and situation for them to work. Infact I have one here, the reason you ask? I have a client with them in their windows environment, they do use Google Docs. but there are constant issues with them. So we are always needing to run tests in my office to figure out work arounds.
Now it is a nice thing to use while sitting on the couch and for posting on ML etc. but I can't use it in my daily business because I operate in an MS office world. Drove me nuts to test it out
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When you can get a Windows 10 notebook that does everything a Chromebook does plus loads and loads of other stuff and it costs maybe $50 more, I have to wonder why people would choose a Chromebook.
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@Carnival Boy I didn't realize that cost was so close on those! http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.68021800?icid=PC_ModC_Chromebook_080514?icid=PCcat_Modc_value_PC_092614
That is going to be a huge thing for a lot of small businesses.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
When you can get a Windows 10 notebook that does everything a Chromebook does plus loads and loads of other stuff and it costs maybe $50 more, I have to wonder why people would choose a Chromebook.
Performance and ease of use. Chromebooks are screaming fast and so simple to use. Much lower cost to manage. And a Chromebook at that price is enterprise, Windows is home use and cannot be managed by AD. So you go back to it costing twice as much if you want those features.
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@Minion-Queen said:
@Carnival Boy I didn't realize that cost was so close on those! http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.68021800?icid=PC_ModC_Chromebook_080514?icid=PCcat_Modc_value_PC_092614
That is going to be a huge thing for a lot of small businesses.
It's misleading because of the home version license.
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Moving from Home to Pro is easily over $100. That's pretty significant on a low cost laptop device that might only be $200 total for the Chromebook.
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Chromeboxes start at just $165. No Windows machine anywhere near that price.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Chromeboxes start at just $165. No Windows machine anywhere near that price.
Yeah, that's the truth.
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@scottalanmiller said:
And a Chromebook at that price is enterprise, Windows is home use and cannot be managed by AD.
What kind of management can you do with Google/Chromebooks that you can't do with Office 365? I suppose because Windows is more powerful than Chrome, you need more management, and thus need AD. Or if not AD, InTune, which is cheaper but still costs. Plus the cost of antivirus software.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
What kind of management can you do with Google/Chromebooks that you can't do with Office 365?
O365 is end user software, no management. Chromebooks are fully managed as devices, like AD and GPO. Completely different concepts. You can use O365 on Windows systems with or without AD or GPO, and you can use it on Chromebooks that are managed or unmanaged.
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At least if they went the window route printing wouldn't be an issue. Managing a home use Windows machine isn't much different than managing chrome so that has no bearing at all on a decision. The decision is if someone is using MS office or O365 then they can on the windows machine. Chrome is a big fat nope.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Or if not AD, InTune, which is cheaper but still costs. Plus the cost of antivirus software.
InTune is for patch management and anti-virus. It does not address any management. You use AD and InTune together, normally. And we do at NTG.
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InTune and Antivirus is a great example of where there is extra cost hidden in the Windows system. Patch management and AV are important issues there. Even unmanaged Chromebooks have that built in and need no extra cost.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I suppose because Windows is more powerful than Chrome, you need more management, and thus need AD.
AD doesn't provide management, but user directory services. Google does this for you. But the features are still there. It's not about "not needing AD's functionality", it is that AD is that functionality for Windows. Chomium uses something else.
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@scottalanmiller said:
InTune is for patch management and anti-virus. It does not address any management.
From Microsoft.com: "Windows Intune helps organizations let their people use the devices and applications they love while configuring device settings to meet compliance needs. Either completely from the cloud or connected to an existing System Center Configuration Manager infrastructure, Windows Intune lets you manage devices in a flexible way that’s best for you."
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@scottalanmiller said:
AD doesn't provide management, but user directory services. Google does this for you. But the features are still there. It's not about "not needing AD's functionality", it is that AD is that functionality for Windows. Chomium uses something else.
OK, let me clarify my question. What does Google do for user directory services that Office 365 doesn't? And what kind of device management can you do with a Chromebook?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
InTune is for patch management and anti-virus. It does not address any management.
From Microsoft.com: "Windows Intune helps organizations let their people use the devices and applications they love while configuring device settings to meet compliance needs. Either completely from the cloud or connected to an existing System Center Configuration Manager infrastructure, Windows Intune lets you manage devices in a flexible way that’s best for you."
We run it and consult on it. It really doesn't do what you are thinking at all. Part of it is MDM for mobile devices. Mostly it is just managing AV, patching, pushing software and a few other basic things. It is nothing like AD and GPO.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
OK, let me clarify my question. What does Google do for user directory services that Office 365 doesn't? And what kind of device management can you do with a Chromebook?
I'm lost. O365 doesn't do this at all. Chromebooks do. O365 is just applications. Those applications, not the machines that they run on, have user accounts. Chromebooks are fully managed.
SO... "everything"? I'm not sure how to answer because I can't figure out how O365 relates here.
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@scottalanmiller said:
It really doesn't do what you are thinking at all.
I have no idea what it does. I don't use it much. You said "InTune does not address any management" and Micrsoft said "InTune lets you mange devices". One of you is wrong.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
When you can get a Windows 10 notebook that does everything a Chromebook does plus loads and loads of other stuff and it costs maybe $50 more, I have to wonder why people would choose a Chromebook.
Performance and ease of use. Chromebooks are screaming fast and so simple to use. Much lower cost to manage. And a Chromebook at that price is enterprise, Windows is home use and cannot be managed by AD. So you go back to it costing twice as much if you want those features.
Hopefully (though I'm not holding my breath) MS will do away with the multiple SKUs for the Desktop OS.
