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Wow gross that you have to use a specific OS under the containers. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Suse needing docker EE (why?) And CentOS/RHEL trying to do their own docker thing. I guess I'd go with CentOS.
Does this have to be compose or can you do k8s?
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@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Wow gross that you have to use a specific OS under the containers. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Suse needing docker EE (why?) And CentOS/RHEL trying to do their own docker thing. I guess I'd go with CentOS.
Does this have to be compose or can you do k8s?
Not sure, the requirements in the original post are all I know. I have emailed multiple Dell folks for clarification on some stuff, I'll throw that in too.
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@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@travisdh1 said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@travisdh1 said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks for the replies everyone. Another stupid question: Should I be installing the workstation version of the OS instead of server?
Just stick with server.
If you do end up needing additional things that are included with the workstation, they can all be added latter. That is another one of those huge if things, very rarely would they be needed.
I'll try to confirm that with Dell. They are slow on the replies.
Keep in mind that these are not different versions as Microsoft treats different versions of things. All they are is a different set of applications/programs installed by default.
I did notice that on a test run of RHEL. Went with server, got no GUI (as expected). Would I have a GUI with workstation? I do need to be able to make it go and maintain it (it's production stuff), I will have server instances in my work lab for the ongoing learning.
GUI won't really help. To do any task all the GUI will do is launch the terminal. Use SSH from Windows for a better experience.
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Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
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@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
Yeah wow that's gross that they force those specifically. Maybe Dell should catch up with everything that's going on in the world.
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@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
Yeah wow that's gross that they force those specifically. Maybe Dell should catch up with everything that's going on in the world.
Dell did not force that.
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@jaredbusch said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
Yeah wow that's gross that they force those specifically. Maybe Dell should catch up with everything that's going on in the world.
Dell did not force that.
I don't get what you mean? They are forcing docker-compose over better containerized alternatives and those specific host versions. The host means nothing, it completely removes the point of a containerized app if I only have specific hosts I can run on.
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@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@jaredbusch said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
Yeah wow that's gross that they force those specifically. Maybe Dell should catch up with everything that's going on in the world.
Dell did not force that.
I don't get what you mean? They are forcing docker-compose over better containerized alternatives and those specific host versions. The host means nothing, it completely removes the point of a containerized app if I only have specific hosts I can run on.
While what you say here is true, most developers don't set up the containers properly. Leading to being locked into certain underlying distributions. In my experience with Docker, it's portability is mostly hype because of that issue.
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@travisdh1 said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@jaredbusch said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
Yeah wow that's gross that they force those specifically. Maybe Dell should catch up with everything that's going on in the world.
Dell did not force that.
I don't get what you mean? They are forcing docker-compose over better containerized alternatives and those specific host versions. The host means nothing, it completely removes the point of a containerized app if I only have specific hosts I can run on.
While what you say here is true, most developers don't set up the containers properly. Leading to being locked into certain underlying distributions. In my experience with Docker, it's portability is mostly hype because of that issue.
I've never had that happen. Can you point me to an example? How would the containerized app even know what system it's running on? It's namespaced in the kernel. I'd love to see a real world example of this.
The only thing I can think of is you tried to run an x86 container on an arm system. The system architecture type should be the only thing that has an affect here
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@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@travisdh1 said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@jaredbusch said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
Yeah wow that's gross that they force those specifically. Maybe Dell should catch up with everything that's going on in the world.
Dell did not force that.
I don't get what you mean? They are forcing docker-compose over better containerized alternatives and those specific host versions. The host means nothing, it completely removes the point of a containerized app if I only have specific hosts I can run on.
While what you say here is true, most developers don't set up the containers properly. Leading to being locked into certain underlying distributions. In my experience with Docker, it's portability is mostly hype because of that issue.
I've never had that happen. Can you point me to an example? How would the containerized app even know what system it's running on? It's namespaced in the kernel. I'd love to see a real world example of this.
The only thing I can think of is you tried to run an x86 container on an arm system. The system architecture type should be the only thing that has an affect here
It's been months since I've tried, because I gave up on using the docker deployment method for open source projects.
I know, it makes no sense, but it's what I've run into way more often than not. I think @scottalanmiller has mentioned having these same issues with Docker.
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@travisdh1 said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@travisdh1 said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@jaredbusch said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
Yeah wow that's gross that they force those specifically. Maybe Dell should catch up with everything that's going on in the world.
Dell did not force that.
I don't get what you mean? They are forcing docker-compose over better containerized alternatives and those specific host versions. The host means nothing, it completely removes the point of a containerized app if I only have specific hosts I can run on.
While what you say here is true, most developers don't set up the containers properly. Leading to being locked into certain underlying distributions. In my experience with Docker, it's portability is mostly hype because of that issue.
I've never had that happen. Can you point me to an example? How would the containerized app even know what system it's running on? It's namespaced in the kernel. I'd love to see a real world example of this.
The only thing I can think of is you tried to run an x86 container on an arm system. The system architecture type should be the only thing that has an affect here
It's been months since I've tried, because I gave up on using the docker deployment method for open source projects.
I know, it makes no sense, but it's what I've run into way more often than not. I think @scottalanmiller has mentioned having these same issues with Docker.
We only run containerized deployments and have never seen that. Open source, enterprise paid, or internally developed.
See if you can find something you couldn't deploy because it must have been a misconfiguration.
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@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
Yeah wow that's gross that they force those specifically. Maybe Dell should catch up with everything that's going on in the world.
Check the original post, Dell gave us the choice of Docker CE or Docker Enterprise. I just read today that Enterprise license is included with Windows 2016/2019 license, so my assumption that "CE is free but Enterprise is not" was wrong. Dell says we can use either, I listed CE because I was unaware of the license thing with Windows. I will be using Enterprise edition.
I told y'all right up front that I don't know shit about any of this...
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@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
Thanks to everyone for the great replies. I just got confirmation from Dell that I need to go with the server version. So it's looking like CentOS 8 Stream / Docker CE / Docker compose will be the setup. Stand by, there will probably be more noob questions coming soon.
Yeah wow that's gross that they force those specifically. Maybe Dell should catch up with everything that's going on in the world.
Check the original post, Dell gave us the choice of Docker CE or Docker Enterprise. I just read today that Enterprise license is included with Windows 2016/2019 license, so my assumption that "CE is free but Enterprise is not" was wrong. Dell says we can use either, I listed CE because I was unaware of the license thing with Windows. I will be using Enterprise edition.
I told y'all right up front that I don't know shit about any of this...
Eh EE really has no benefits. The crazy thing is the whole landscape is shifting away from Docker. K8s is already on containerd. The only thing left for docker is running locally on your laptop which is becoming less and less of a thing anyway.
All of their choices are pretty bad. RHEL/CentOS has a bad/annoying docker implementation. SUSE shouldn't require SLED. It just sounds overall like dell is trying to stay relevant but are using tech from 2017 to do that
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@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
It just sounds overall like dell is trying to stay relevant but are using tech from 2017 to do that
And this is a surprise?
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@jaredbusch said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
It just sounds overall like dell is trying to stay relevant but are using tech from 2017 to do that
And this is a surprise?
No but still gives me the sad feels.
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@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@jaredbusch said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
It just sounds overall like dell is trying to stay relevant but are using tech from 2017 to do that
And this is a surprise?
No but still gives me the sad feels.
Imagine how I feel having to deploy this nonsense. I guess that's what I get for getting sick and missing 8 months of work.
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@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@jaredbusch said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
It just sounds overall like dell is trying to stay relevant but are using tech from 2017 to do that
And this is a surprise?
No but still gives me the sad feels.
Imagine how I feel having to deploy this nonsense. I guess that's what I get for getting sick and missing 8 months of work.
is the container image public or is it a private Dell repo?
I'd like to take a look at it if it's public.
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@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@rojoloco said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@jaredbusch said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
@stacksofplates said in RojoLoco needs your Linux brains!!!:
It just sounds overall like dell is trying to stay relevant but are using tech from 2017 to do that
And this is a surprise?
No but still gives me the sad feels.
Imagine how I feel having to deploy this nonsense. I guess that's what I get for getting sick and missing 8 months of work.
is the container image public or is it a private Dell repo?
I'd like to take a look at it if it's public.
I'm assuming it is private because Dell. They have referred to it as "their" container before.
All this would usually be handled by Dell deployment team, but we won't let them install their "support assist" backdoor malware on our production systems.
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Finally I have some time to get going on this! Just kicked off CentOS 8 stream install. Fingers crossed...
