Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?
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LOL - I love it
reply 1 - leave it alone, use their driver
reply 2 - flip it, use normal AHCI driver.Thanks guys.
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@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
LOL - I love it
reply 1 - leave it alone, use their driver
reply 2 - flip it, use normal AHCI driver.Thanks guys.
Yup. Could get religious. ;0)
Reason for flipping it: Single drive no RAID.
Someone royally screwed the pooch in imaging on this one IMNSHO.
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@pete-s said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
It appears that Dell is now shipping their xx20 series laptops with RAID enabled in the BIOS instead of ACHI.
As such, I've found some threads where people were trying to get the drivers - and they are using the Intel RST drivers (FakeRAID drivers).
I'm curious about anyone's thoughts on this here?
Additionally - a few noted that their newer Dells would revert to RAID if they switched to ACHI - causing the systems to BSOD on boot and a call to IT to "fix it" i.e. switch it back.
Leave the BIOS settings as they are and install the proper drivers (Dell's) if you're doing a new install / new image.
No point in doing anything else.
I'm not sure why you feel this way - in the past RST was always considered by this community to be crapware. FakeRAID is just more ways for people to get into trouble. If you need RAID - then you have the need for real RAID, not FakeRAID.
Now - all that said, it seems like there is more tech in RST now than there was in the past. They have some power optimizations, etc... and this is what lead to me asking the question in the first place.
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But really - if this is going to be the new default thing - then MS needs to include the RST driver in their images.
And it looks like MS has an updated 21H1 ISO on VLSC from June, I wonder what it will do?
downloading
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@dashrender It's not Microsoft that did this. It's Dell's imaging team that set up the default firmware settings and imaged based on that. They then SysPrep'd the OS for OOBE (Out of the Box Experience).
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@phlipelder said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender It's not Microsoft that did this. It's Dell's imaging team that set up the default firmware settings and imaged based on that. They then SysPrep'd the OS for OOBE (Out of the Box Experience).
Yeah - I know that, or at least assumed that. I'm wondering if there's any agreement between Dell and Intel requiring this type of setup on these processors.
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@phlipelder said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
Reason for flipping it: Single drive no RAID.
Reason for not flipping it: Single drive no RAID
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@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
LOL - I love it
reply 1 - leave it alone, use their driver
reply 2 - flip it, use normal AHCI driver.Thanks guys.
I vote for #2. Dell has always been irresponsible as to their approach to RAID. Intel's RAID system is incredibly non-production ready. If there is an option to use it or avoid it, I'd avoid both (Dell and intel's defaults) every time.
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@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@phlipelder said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender It's not Microsoft that did this. It's Dell's imaging team that set up the default firmware settings and imaged based on that. They then SysPrep'd the OS for OOBE (Out of the Box Experience).
Yeah - I know that, or at least assumed that. I'm wondering if there's any agreement between Dell and Intel requiring this type of setup on these processors.
We pull the whatever drive that comes in the Dell units we sell and install an Intel NVMe drive.
All of them get set up with an OS image that we have for each of our clients.
The BIOS settings get corrected at that time to AHCI.
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@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@pete-s said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
It appears that Dell is now shipping their xx20 series laptops with RAID enabled in the BIOS instead of ACHI.
As such, I've found some threads where people were trying to get the drivers - and they are using the Intel RST drivers (FakeRAID drivers).
I'm curious about anyone's thoughts on this here?
Additionally - a few noted that their newer Dells would revert to RAID if they switched to ACHI - causing the systems to BSOD on boot and a call to IT to "fix it" i.e. switch it back.
Leave the BIOS settings as they are and install the proper drivers (Dell's) if you're doing a new install / new image.
No point in doing anything else.
I'm not sure why you feel this way - in the past RST was always considered by this community to be crapware. FakeRAID is just more ways for people to get into trouble. If you need RAID - then you have the need for real RAID, not FakeRAID.
Now - all that said, it seems like there is more tech in RST now than there was in the past. They have some power optimizations, etc... and this is what lead to me asking the question in the first place.
Exactly, it's a whole layer of drivers and problems that you don't need. Will it likely work? Sure. But is there a reason to have to maintain more software that has no purpose? No.
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@phlipelder said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender It's not Microsoft that did this. It's Dell's imaging team that set up the default firmware settings and imaged based on that. They then SysPrep'd the OS for OOBE (Out of the Box Experience).
Yeah, MS is an innocent bystander here.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@phlipelder said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender It's not Microsoft that did this. It's Dell's imaging team that set up the default firmware settings and imaged based on that. They then SysPrep'd the OS for OOBE (Out of the Box Experience).
Yeah, MS is an innocent bystander here.
How did MS even come into the conversation?
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@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
then MS needs to include the RST driver in their images.
From you bringing it into the conversation. This isn't on Microsoft to include, this is on the hardware vendor to include.
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Another issue with the stupid RST thing is that you have to turn it off want tools like Clonezilla to see the damned disks.
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@dustinb3403 said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
then MS needs to include the RST driver in their images.
From you bringing it into the conversation. This isn't on Microsoft to include, this is on the hardware vendor to include.
Not really - MS includes most of the in use drivers these days - they started including Dell and HP RAID drivers for example.
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@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dustinb3403 said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
then MS needs to include the RST driver in their images.
From you bringing it into the conversation. This isn't on Microsoft to include, this is on the hardware vendor to include.
Not really - MS includes most of the in use drivers these days - they started including Dell and HP RAID drivers for example.
That's really neither here nor there.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dustinb3403 said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
then MS needs to include the RST driver in their images.
From you bringing it into the conversation. This isn't on Microsoft to include, this is on the hardware vendor to include.
Not really - MS includes most of the in use drivers these days - they started including Dell and HP RAID drivers for example.
That's really neither here nor there.
LOL- but if Intel/Dell and whatever other OEM's (I've read Asus is doing the same thing as Dell - RST by default) then they (Intel, etc) will need to get MS to include the RST driver.
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@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dustinb3403 said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
then MS needs to include the RST driver in their images.
From you bringing it into the conversation. This isn't on Microsoft to include, this is on the hardware vendor to include.
Not really - MS includes most of the in use drivers these days - they started including Dell and HP RAID drivers for example.
That's really neither here nor there.
LOL- but if Intel/Dell and whatever other OEM's (I've read Asus is doing the same thing as Dell - RST by default) then they (Intel, etc) will need to get MS to include the RST driver.
Why?
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@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dustinb3403 said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
@dashrender said in Windows images - ACHI or RAID/RST?:
then MS needs to include the RST driver in their images.
From you bringing it into the conversation. This isn't on Microsoft to include, this is on the hardware vendor to include.
Not really - MS includes most of the in use drivers these days - they started including Dell and HP RAID drivers for example.
That's really neither here nor there.
LOL- but if Intel/Dell and whatever other OEM's (I've read Asus is doing the same thing as Dell - RST by default) then they (Intel, etc) will need to get MS to include the RST driver.
It's up to the product vendor to run through the HLK certification process among a few other steps prior to Microsoft approving the driver for distirubtion from within the OS.
This is not a Microsoft thing. This is an OEM/ODM thing with Dell being the offending OEM at this time.
